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#431759 - 05/15/17 11:47 AM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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As a Pro gigging player you never lose money on an investment for gear,...let's face it do a few gigs and its paid off, you made your initial money back,..... the rest is gravy...

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#431846 - 05/18/17 06:10 AM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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when I talked to Yamaha they where tight liped about it but something is brewing gonna be special .
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#431850 - 05/18/17 07:15 AM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: musicforyourday]
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Originally Posted By musicforyourday
when I talked to Yamaha they where tight liped about it but something is brewing gonna be special .


I doubt they will reveal anything to the non R&D masses until they are ready if at all....their concern is to make a profit first...
after all bottom line it's a business.

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#431854 - 05/18/17 09:05 AM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: musicforyourday]
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Originally Posted By musicforyourday
when I talked to Yamaha they where tight liped about it but something is brewing gonna be special .


Same here...

But then, what Yamaha thinks very special, is not necessarilly what i think to be very special...

My expectations are that they will split the current tyros into a PSR Pro series and a new Genos series... the Genos will move even further towards workstation and pick up the room opened up when the Motif was replaced by the Montage..

PSR pro series will take the Tyros more back to the arranger roots, mostly easy to opperate top end features and high sound and style quallity.. less workstation features..
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#431855 - 05/18/17 11:34 AM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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Expectations have rarely been fruitful with Yamaha with their track record...wait and see with no speculation is about the only thing to do Que Sera, Sera !!!

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#431856 - 05/18/17 12:17 PM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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Donny, aren't you contradicting the whole theme of your post. First you ask everyone to speculate and then conclude with "wait and see with no speculation". Which is it.....or is this just for the sake of conversation?
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#431857 - 05/18/17 01:15 PM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Expectations have rarely been fruitful with Yamaha with their track record.


Actually, Yamaha, in the opinion of many, actually has a great track record in fulfilling the requests of players, both home and pro. This is well documented both here on this forum, and others. They may not have acquiesced to all the requested changes, but they would not be in business very long if they followed those guidelines. If you go through the archives and find the Yamaha Listens thread (I believe the title is correct), there is a huge number of requested changes, more than half of which were made by DNJ. Among them, he requested that the PSR series of keyboards be changed back to basic black - they did it. He asked for audio drums and styles, they added them to their already extensive list of midi styles and voices. He asked for a better vocal processor, they provided it. He asked for a better onboard sound system, which was also provided in the upgrades. He asked for unlimited USB storage, which is now standard. He asked for a brighter, clearer display - we now have it. Someone asked for an onboard audio recorder/player so they could record and play wav and MP3 files, which is now standard on most PSR and Tyros models. Donny asked for a change in the shape of the keyboard when he had a T2, which sliced into the carrying case. The shape was changed with the T3. Someone asked for bigger buttons, which were added in all subsequent models. Only a few individuals asked for hammer action, larger keys, which were not added, for obvious reasons - not everyone wants of likes them. There were many, many new additions to the operating system, far too many to list. I don't know of any other manufacturer that has reached out to their consumers in this fashion, and then followed up with many of the changes.

As for Yamaha worrying about the competition, I don't think so. They still sell more arranger keyboards and synths than all the others combined. They have been in the musical instrument business for a very long time, they make very high quality instruments, and the demand for their products seems to increase every year.

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#431860 - 05/18/17 02:27 PM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By travlin'easy
Originally Posted By Dnj
Expectations have rarely been fruitful with Yamaha with their track record.


Actually, Yamaha, in the opinion of many, actually has a great track record in fulfilling the requests of players, both home and pro. This is well documented both here on this forum, and others. They may not have acquiesced to all the requested changes, but they would not be in business very long if they followed those guidelines. If you go through the archives and find the Yamaha Listens thread (I believe the title is correct), there is a huge number of requested changes, more than half of which were made by DNJ. Among them, he requested that the PSR series of keyboards be changed back to basic black - they did it. He asked for audio drums and styles, they added them to their already extensive list of midi styles and voices. He asked for a better vocal processor, they provided it. He asked for a better onboard sound system, which was also provided in the upgrades. He asked for unlimited USB storage, which is now standard. He asked for a brighter, clearer display - we now have it. Someone asked for an onboard audio recorder/player so they could record and play wav and MP3 files, which is now standard on most PSR and Tyros models. Donny asked for a change in the shape of the keyboard when he had a T2, which sliced into the carrying case. The shape was changed with the T3. Someone asked for bigger buttons, which were added in all subsequent models. Only a few individuals asked for hammer action, larger keys, which were not added, for obvious reasons - not everyone wants of likes them. There were many, many new additions to the operating system, far too many to list. I don't know of any other manufacturer that has reached out to their consumers in this fashion, and then followed up with many of the changes.

As for Yamaha worrying about the competition, I don't think so. They still sell more arranger keyboards and synths than all the others combined. They have been in the musical instrument business for a very long time, they make very high quality instruments, and the demand for their products seems to increase every year.

Gary cool



With Yamaha listening you say, i womder what the Genos should bring us..

Because the current TOTL instruments (Tyros 5 and Pa4x) are near perfect from most arranger players views... which shows in the wishlists, everyone seems to want something different... and on psr tutorial forum, there is a huge group of Tyros owners, that dont seem to have anything to wish for left...

Sure, i can make a long wishlist... or even a longer list of possible additions.. but then who but me really wants them?
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#431861 - 05/18/17 02:56 PM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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Gary yes they have made a few design changes that benefit some players but many times they were so minimal between models. I would say a PRO division and Home player division is needed in the arranger KB department here is where the controversy lies as Pro players need certain features for every day gigging that the home player doesn't. That said the keybed keyfeel 61/76/ choices problem on MOTL units like the S970, etc,...
needs to be addressed to satisfy the masses and continual requests are posted all the time with no results, and a simple LARGER Tilt up display on MOTL units also, these are very beneficial to the pro player. And one of my pet peeves besides a new Vocal Harmonizer on par with TC Helicon is a MUCH SMALLER FOOT PRINT in size & weight of the KB. Gary they have a some more to do for sure....
remember the story of David & Goliath....just sayin'


Edited by Dnj (05/18/17 05:05 PM)

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#431863 - 05/18/17 03:06 PM Re: New Yamaha GENOS older style compatable or not? [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj

remember the story of Samson & Goliath....just sayin'


No, but I'd like to hear it. Must have been before Goliath ran into David.

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