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#434262 - 07/12/17 10:11 AM Looks can be deceiving two
spalding1968 Offline
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Didn't want to mess up chas topic so created another one . It features my favourite band snarky puppy and a guest artist Jacob collier . The dude is insane but looks like he just left nerd school 😉

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eqY3FaZmh-Y

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#434265 - 07/12/17 10:57 AM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: spalding1968]
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Thanks Spalding, very considerate. As to your video, anyone who thinks musicians are evolving into a bunch of button-pushers and sample players should watch this video. THIS is where music is going and this is what the next generation of musicians will aspire too, mastery of the instrument, mastery of the art form, and the intelligence, education, and values that go with it. I love, love, love these talented young people and am in awe of there talent, creativity, and dedication to QUALITY. Also for not succumbing to the seductions of 'easy money' at the expense of true art. I think all this is evident in this video and the whold concept behind Snarky Puppy and new emerging groups like it.

Spalding, for the record, MOST of them look like 'nerds'; let's hear it for the nerds.

chas
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#434268 - 07/12/17 12:02 PM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
As to your video, anyone who thinks musicians are evolving into a bunch of button-pushers and sample players should watch this video. THIS is where music is going and this is what the next generation of musicians will aspire too, mastery of the instrument,
chas



Although we can hope, ....the people have spoken worldwide...numbers don't lie,.....DJ's vs Musicians in today's world,....yes there's room for all,.....but the majority leans toward the high world of buttons and samples, etc,....nothing wrong with that after all they are mastering their craft also, no need to downplay their art form they too are creating music, there will always be haters,....I just keep an open mind and always "absorb" the best from it all,....there is good and bad in all music no matter how its performed.. cool2

btw kool video


Edited by Dnj (07/12/17 12:04 PM)

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#434283 - 07/12/17 06:09 PM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj


Although we can hope, ....the people have spoken worldwide...numbers don't lie,.....DJ's vs Musicians in today's world,....yes there's room for all,.....but the majority leans toward the high world of buttons and samples, etc,....nothing wrong with that after all they are mastering their craft also, no need to downplay their art form they too are creating music, there will always be haters,....I just keep an open mind and always "absorb" the best from it all,....there is good and bad in all music no matter how its performed.. cool2

btw kool video


What a bunch of horse hockey. Did you see any button pushing in that video you just described as "Kool"? And without capable musicians, what samples would there be? If you pushed a button, all you'd get is static and pink noise. And btw, pushing buttons is NOT an art form and what they're putting together is a kaleidoscope of someone else's music.

What you're missing here is that in both of our (me and Spalding) posts, we are talking about MUSICIANS, you know, people that play musical instruments. We were marveling at how good they were even though they didn't necessarily LOOK the part. I'm not even sure why you even introduced this whole 'button-pushers are artists too' thing. At the very least, that's for another post. Anyway, have a nice day.

chas
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#434284 - 07/12/17 06:18 PM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: spalding1968]
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Sure glad I drink! wink

Chas, I tend to agree with your first post on this thread. I too, wish I had the talent those young musicians possess. They are incredible. And, the only buttons they pushed were the ones on their instruments. Sorry Donny, I just cannot get my head around someone who plays CDs or songs from a PC as a musical talent or artist. JMO!

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#434285 - 07/12/17 06:24 PM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: spalding1968]
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Gary its much more then that I'll just leave at that my friend...

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#434304 - 07/13/17 06:01 AM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: spalding1968]
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Being a DJ is a different skill to being a musician. I don't think there's any argument that there is however skill involved. But whether that can really be put on the same level as a musician that has trained for years to produce original music is a whole different argument .

Staying true to this thread, and using an example that speaks louder than words ,have a look at this YouTube clip and then tell me the level of skill involved to do this .

Also she gets regular bookings and probably earns more through her "musical skill " than most of us .

https://youtu.be/HtBWqYBcchk

I hope this settles the argument 😅


Edited by spalding1968 (07/13/17 06:04 AM)

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#434305 - 07/13/17 06:07 AM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: spalding1968]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By spalding1968
Being a DJ is a different skill to being a musician. I don't think there's any argument that there is however skill involved. But whether that can really be put on the same level as a musician that has trained for years to produce original music is a whole different argument .

Staying true to this thread and using an example that actually proves the point that it doesn't take a lot of talent to get people to dance as a DJ ,have a look at this YouTube clip and then tell me how long you think this person actually took to throw the stuff together.

Also she gets regular bookings and probably earns more through her "musical skill " than most of us .

https://youtu.be/HtBWqYBcchk

I hope this settles the argument 😅


I have to agree to disagree as most DJs/producers are musicians also,....you need a musicians talent background to create music period in any form,..even more so for today's rhythms, beats,house,trance,hiphop music etc,..it's a new day out here in musicland embrace the future technology it's NOT going away for example KORG KAOSS in the Pa4x just added, there will be much more just wait and see,. Instead integrate it with whatever music style you desire and make your music even better then before,. Some people want to just sit and stay in the "OLD" home organ mode with a closed mind, personally for me I look ahead and absorb and work with what ever is coming along new down the pike,......it's an exciting time for musicians in all aspects.

cool2


Edited by Dnj (07/13/17 06:11 AM)

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#434309 - 07/13/17 07:47 AM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: Dnj]
spalding1968 Offline
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All you have really said is that all forms of music such as trance hip-hop et cetera required skill to make. No one is denying that there are other genres of music that require musical skill. But the DJ does not create any music. A DJ plays someone else's music. DJ stops and starts someone else's music. DJ fades in and fades out someone else's music. If the DJ is truly a musician. Then take away other peoples music from his set and let me see him or her make music.

You see the heart of this discussion and the problem here, is that you need to define the what a musician is . a musician can actually create original music, whether that's playing chords or melody line or rhythm or singing or all of those forms. What does DJ to create music if he or she does not already have someone else's music to work with?

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#434312 - 07/13/17 08:21 AM Re: Looks can be deceiving two [Re: spalding1968]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By spalding1968
All you have really said is that all forms of music such as trance hip-hop et cetera required skill to make. No one is denying that there are other genres of music that require musical skill. But the DJ does not create any music. A DJ plays someone else's music. DJ stops and starts someone else's music. DJ fades in and fades out someone else's music. If the DJ is truly a musician. Then take away other peoples music from his set and let me see him or her make music.

You see the heart of this discussion and the problem here, is that you need to define the what a musician is . a musician can actually create original music, whether that's playing chords or melody line or rhythm or singing or all of those forms. What does DJ to create music if he or she does not already have someone else's music to work with?



without getting into particulars between a dj and an arranger kb player which both use a device with buttons etc, to make other peoples music play, your just operating & triggering midi style phrases, made by others, on an electronic device, also.......again I unlike some others embrace all kinds of music no matter how its made.

take care

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