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#44623 - 11/06/03 01:25 PM
Re: How many Styles do you really need?
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Heather, actually this topic has been discussed a few times, usually in response to someone stating they don't need any styles other than the onboard styles. Personally, I prefer options when I compose or record and I will search the net for styles posted for other keyboards and spend months converting them for my use. I don't use a style again once I record with it so it tends to keep my music fresh. I start out with a theme such as gospel, country, Christmas, etc., and then with a song in mind I search for a proper style within a tempo range that fits the song. I seldom use a style to find a song, but it sometimes happens. Once I find a group of styles that are close in tempo to what I require, the hunt begins! I may spend days searching for just the right background, or I may find it right away, and sometimes I have to take a tired out long discarded style and rebuild it to what I want. I like to push the limits when it comes to using different styles for certain types of music, and onboard styles don't give me enough to chose from. For instance, for gospel music players there are only a few styles in that catagory, but one can use ballads, latin styles, country and even rock to do the songs. When you mix it up, you create interesting sounding music. See See Rider calls for a moderate blues tempo, but try it with a country train style and the song takes on a whole new identity. The combinations of different styles with the wide range of instruments available give us the chance to explore the musical universe and never look back! I may never use a lot of the styles in my archives, but I want the option to pick and choose. The fun never ends!! ![](http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/biggrin.gif)
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#44624 - 11/06/03 01:46 PM
Re: How many Styles do you really need?
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Hi Roger, do you actually create complete styles out of these midifiles ( ie all the intro, ending etc parts) or do you just create as many parts as required for the particular song ie 1 intro , 1 ending and as many fills and variations as may be required. ------------------------------------------- I tend to think that maybe when we talk about creating styles, we automatically think we have to create all the parts of the style ie the 4 intro's & endings ( maj & min) the 8 fills, the 4 variations ( which can be daunting task) wheras , all one would really need to do is create an intro & ending for the song and as many fills & variations as one thinks the song requires, (with my limited playing talent I usually only need a couple of variations) hence I've got, what I've always considered, as a heap of unfinished styles ( even though I do use them), wheras I suppose I could be optimistic and think of them as completed song specific styles ( even though some of the parts may still be missing ( strange female logic, (haahaa) let's face it, it's not as if we're trying to create styles commercially, it's just to give a bit of variety to the songs. Thanks guys, the subject is great food for thought. best wishes Rikki Originally posted by RMepstead:
As for me, well I have to have as near the original representation of the sound that I can get so this sometimes means cannibalising midi files to get 4 good variations; an intro; and an ending - why? Roger M
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#44631 - 11/07/03 06:55 AM
Re: How many Styles do you really need?
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Registered: 04/26/03
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It sounds like everyone has their own individual technique on what and how many styles works for them. Some may need only a few, while others like to have a full library.
Playing the music on the Technics is great fun and enjoyable. But if I had to create the composer style from scratch, that would be hard, time consuming, not my area of expertise, which would then take the fun out of playing. But this is me and of course would be different for others.
So I collect as many composer styles as I can. I mix, change instruments, and may add or erase something in the composer. It's intersting that when I finally have a song done and saved in Technics Format with the final composer version. I sometimes for the fun of it, put another rhythm pattern in it's place, interesting results ocurrs with the song. With a few tweaks here and there, I have a completly new style of the same song.
Anthony
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#44632 - 11/07/03 08:18 AM
Re: How many Styles do you really need?
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Registered: 12/14/99
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I share many of the same views posted above. As a style nut as well, I don't have the chops nor the time to spend countless hours creating styles. So, I go with those onboard and those shared by many of you. I do tweak effects, volume, pan, and EQ extensively to get the rhythm "pocket" sought after. This may be a rediculous notion----but, owning many LP's, CD's, and even old 45's, I often come across a tune with a recorded backing that I'd die for to get in an arranger style. Hence, if we had access to the programmers, or even knew who they were, could we not submit to them snippets of tunes illustrating the styles desired? Do they may the decision on styles that appear in new boards? Will the time ever come where we (consumers) might be able to "special order" particular styles requested, rather than taking what's offered? Just some silly notions, I suppose.
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#44633 - 11/07/03 02:16 PM
Re: How many Styles do you really need?
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi Heather, I'm definately one of those that "Fools Around" ( too much , actually). There again it's only a personal hobby for me, and I find it a great deal of fun, exploring the machine etc. I only play to entertain myself, as I get all nervous when I try to play for other people. Same problem when I try to sequence, as soon as I hit the record button, the mind goes blank & the hands get shakey ( gee, I must spend an awful lot of time in record mode haahaa). Interesting comment on computer programmers, that may be my problem, I'm never totally happy when I create a style, so I'm forever trying to find ways of improving it, and consequently they never get finished. I'll definetly keep that in mind. By the way, I gather you're actually into composing music,, Have you ever tried a program called "Jammer" They have demo versions on their website. (Vers4 & Vers5. They do vary in the way they work) http://www.soundtrek.com best wishes Rikki [QUOTE]Originally posted by shcox: What I do find fasinating is that many of us seem to spend as much time "Fooling Around" with our instruments as we do actually playing them. Whether we are collecting and organizing styles and songs, sequencing a song or creating and converting styles. As a computer programmer is it is often said that programmer should not use programs they write because we will never stop improving the program. Each time we start to use it we spend more time trying to re-do it. It seems a similar thing happens with our keyboards.
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