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#453086 - 06/04/18 12:39 PM
Re: Comping My Own Vocals
[Re: Bernie9]
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
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Not sure if this is the right thread for this, or not. (please tell me, and I'll move it) Lots has been said about individual playing styles, keyboard preferences, chord shapes, and much more. Here is my take on how I do what I do, and why. It's important to state that I'm a singer first, and a keyboard/guitar player second ... tied very closely with my role as entertainer/emcee. With THAT said, let's begin.
Whether I'm sitting at a grand piano, or an arranger keyboard, my priorities are the same: 1) vocals 2)bass 3)rhythm *)everything else (I call this fluff, or color)
My 2 hands generally split the duties of bass and chords, even on an acoustic piano. When playing full chordal accompaniment on a piano, I often rely on a heavy LH octave, or I-V-I to add depth to the chord structure. When playing an arranger, I go between triggering patterns, or playing live manual bass all night. Either way - I ALWAYS play the full chords with my RH, even if the arranger is set to automatic. This personalizes my styles so each one is always song specific. Playing manual bass is my preferred method with standards, and swing tunes, because it enables me to "kick" the rhythm section for emphasis. I can accent phrases, and lines with both hands acting together .... something that's often difficult, while relying on pre programmed styles. I have always believed that bass is the most important element to a rhythm section. Far more important than drums. It sets the key, fills out the fundamental, moves the air, so your gut can feel it, and provides the oooomph to make people (not me) dance. My user styles have been thinned out to remove the piano, and guitar sounds when they are playing most of the chords in a style. This frees up polyphony, and un-clutteres the accompaniment. Remember - I'm spotlighting the melody always. (in my case, my voice)
A typical, or signature sound for me is a simple trio style with a drum pattern, LH bass, RH Rhodes (sometimes layered), and voice on top with added harmonies to suit the style or genre I'm aiming for. Comping behind my vocals is easy in this config, because I'm usually surrounding the melody with the chords, so I can trigger my "freshman-esq" harmonies at will. Some songs get simple 3rd up harmony, some benefit form more complex structure, like Four Seasons, MIlls Bros etc.
For me, I'm happiest when the vocals shine, the bass is solid, the Rhodes is ringing like a bell (sorry Johnny B), and the rest of the band is sitting tightly in the pocket of the groove I'm laying down. This makes my sound less automated, less manufacturer specific, and frankly .... more interesting. (I hope)
The Korg PA series really makes life simple with the button controls on top. The ability to turn on slash bass chords, manual bass, chord sequencing, and turn acc parts on/off in a flash is vital to a fresh sound, for me. Happy to answer any questions about my approach, but I mainly just wanted to share a few thoughts with the gang. Enjoy, all.
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#453128 - 06/05/18 11:36 AM
Re: Comping My Own Vocals
[Re: montunoman]
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Registered: 09/21/00
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#453135 - 06/05/18 12:30 PM
Re: Comping My Own Vocals
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Senior Member
Registered: 10/20/09
Posts: 3227
Loc: Dallas, Texas
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Not sure if this is the right thread for this, or not. (please tell me, and I'll move it) Lots has been said about individual playing styles, keyboard preferences, chord shapes, and much more. Here is my take on how I do what I do, and why. It's important to state that I'm a singer first, and a keyboard/guitar player second ... tied very closely with my role as entertainer/emcee. With THAT said, let's begin.
Whether I'm sitting at a grand piano, or an arranger keyboard, my priorities are the same: 1) vocals 2)bass 3)rhythm *)everything else (I call this fluff, or color)
My 2 hands generally split the duties of bass and chords, even on an acoustic piano. When playing full chordal accompaniment on a piano, I often rely on a heavy LH octave, or I-V-I to add depth to the chord structure. When playing an arranger, I go between triggering patterns, or playing live manual bass all night. Either way - I ALWAYS play the full chords with my RH, even if the arranger is set to automatic. This personalizes my styles so each one is always song specific. Playing manual bass is my preferred method with standards, and swing tunes, because it enables me to "kick" the rhythm section for emphasis. I can accent phrases, and lines with both hands acting together .... something that's often difficult, while relying on pre programmed styles. I have always believed that bass is the most important element to a rhythm section. Far more important than drums. It sets the key, fills out the fundamental, moves the air, so your gut can feel it, and provides the oooomph to make people (not me) dance. My user styles have been thinned out to remove the piano, and guitar sounds when they are playing most of the chords in a style. This frees up polyphony, and un-clutteres the accompaniment. Remember - I'm spotlighting the melody always. (in my case, my voice)
A typical, or signature sound for me is a simple trio style with a drum pattern, LH bass, RH Rhodes (sometimes layered), and voice on top with added harmonies to suit the style or genre I'm aiming for. Comping behind my vocals is easy in this config, because I'm usually surrounding the melody with the chords, so I can trigger my "freshman-esq" harmonies at will. Some songs get simple 3rd up harmony, some benefit form more complex structure, like Four Seasons, MIlls Bros etc.
For me, I'm happiest when the vocals shine, the bass is solid, the Rhodes is ringing like a bell (sorry Johnny B), and the rest of the band is sitting tightly in the pocket of the groove I'm laying down. This makes my sound less automated, less manufacturer specific, and frankly .... more interesting. (I hope)
The Korg PA series really makes life simple with the button controls on top. The ability to turn on slash bass chords, manual bass, chord sequencing, and turn acc parts on/off in a flash is vital to a fresh sound, for me. Happy to answer any questions about my approach, but I mainly just wanted to share a few thoughts with the gang. Enjoy, all. Interesting approach UD. I’d like to get my LH bass lines together to be able to do what you do. Do use any auto accompaniment at all ( besides drums) when doing LH bass?
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