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#454000 - 06/27/18 09:33 AM Re: the bar just got lowered again [Re: Mark79100]
tony mads usa Offline
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A number of years ago, some other musician friends and I went to a jazz club in Boston to see the group Spyro Gyra ... the band was dressed in jeans or khaki slacks and tee shirts or golf style shirts ... one of the guys I was with commented "remember when the musicians dressed better than the audience?" ...
A couple of years ago I saw the Ron Carter trio at the Newport Jazz Fest - blue blazers, dark slacks, white shirts, dark ties - class is class ...
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#454001 - 06/27/18 09:34 AM Re: the bar just got lowered again [Re: Stephenm52]
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Originally Posted By Stephenm52
Originally Posted By bruno123


The world is what it is. How we handle it is what we are.
John C.


And acceptance is the answer to all my problems today. When I am disturbed, it is because I find some person, place, thing, or situation—some fact of my life —unacceptable to me, and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing, or situation as being exactly the way it is supposed to be at this moment.



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#454006 - 06/27/18 10:16 AM Re: the bar just got lowered again [Re: Mark79100]
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Originally Posted By Mark79100
The audiences have been gradually "dumbed down" so much over the years, I'm wondering if it's time for a really good OMB now to enter the arena (maybe coupled with a female vocalist)


It sounds like those performers would have left you wanting more, even if they had a terrific backing band. The performance is what failed you, and not their choice of media. There are many fine singers who entertain with tracks, and if the show is well executed, and performed with humility, and style ... the crowd will love it. I don't think the set-up lowered the bar for you ... it was the lackluster performance of the entertainers. The same thing could happen with a sub par OMB ... even with great gear. Using an arranger is not a step "up" from using tracks. It's a creative choice, and the right performer can captivate an audience with almost anything. The tools are just a means to an end.
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#454021 - 06/27/18 12:03 PM Re: the bar just got lowered again [Re: Mark79100]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By Mark79100

What really bugged me last night (contrary to what Donny wrote above) was NOT that the act was bad, but it was the degradation of and lack of respect for the people who took the time out of their busy lives to attend something they assumed was worth seeing. These fellows belonged NOT on stage playing to 500 people but in someone's cellar enjoying a beer and a pizza and watching Youtube videos on how to play music and entertain!


And who's fault is that? ...the people that hired them correct?..
Aside from judging them again,....ever think just maybe some people enjoyed the act? My point is absorb from good or bad always as a player, and playing 30,40,50 years etc, doesn't mean anything I Know many players who perform longer then that and still have alot to be desired,.....length of time means nothing.

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#454023 - 06/27/18 12:09 PM Re: the bar just got lowered again [Re: Mark79100]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By Mark79100
Originally Posted By Dnj
Who are we to judge?.....they are getting paid......


So does that mean, as long as you're getting paid, my plumber, my mechanic, and my income tax accountant can perform too?

Originally Posted By Dnj
it's a free night out for people on a summer night....


so was the Jim Jones clan a "free night out for people" and where did that lead to? (Google Jim Jones)

Originally Posted By Dnj
and anyone is free to leave if they choose


No, I watched everyone closely. People chose to get up and take short walks, have conversations with each other, amuse themselves on their smart phones, etc. In short, it's a beautiful summer night, great weather....you're out already...make the best of it.

Donny.....I appreciate your posts but sometimes I wonder: do you actually get the point the "poster" is making? Do you really think things through before you comment or do you just have "post-itis" (obsession to post)?


Believe me I get it,......what I don't get is your complaining and so call anger toward musicians performing however they are trying to do it, you post YOUR opinions don't be surprised to receive other peoples feed back who Don't agree sorry,.....show some helpful support or better yet I would of went up to them during a break or at the end of the show and talked with them as a fellow musician and offered my thoughts good or bad, many times it's very appreciative.....and btw I've been playing over 50yrs myself..

have a nice day if you can


Edited by Dnj (06/27/18 12:16 PM)

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#454098 - 06/28/18 10:52 PM Re: the bar just got lowered again [Re: Dnj]
Mark79100 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/06
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Originally Posted By Dnj

Mark writes: Donny.....I appreciate your posts but sometimes I wonder: do you actually get the point the "poster" is making? Do you really think things through before you comment or do you just have "post-itis" (obsession to post)?


Originally Posted By Dnj
Believe me I get it,......


No, Donny...I don't believe you 'cause you DON'T get it. Read the heading of my message, then read it again, and again until you DO get it...my heading was "the bar just got lowered again.” That means I’m noticing musicians are showing up with less and less equipment regularly and that this might not end until they show up on stage with a tin can and a spoon as backing and both Sam Ash and Guitar Center go out of business. I could have said it all in the first three paragraphs. I just thought I’d throw in some additional tongue-in-cheek patter as someone already noted.

Originally Posted By Dnj
what I don't get is your complaining and so call anger toward musicians performing however they are trying to do it,


Hmmmmmmm Let’s use an analogy. Donnie pays $200 for a ticket to see a first class Broadway musical. Goes through the time and trouble of getting into NYC, pays $50 to park his car, walks in and sits down saying to himself “it was all worth it, the next two hours are going to be magnificent.” In walks the performers…they’re all convicts from the Pentonville State Prison choral group who are doing the show because it meant temporary parole for them. In walks the band…..they’re a harmonica player and a drummer whose only equipment is a pair of drumsticks that he uses on a kitchen scrub-board. Would that make YOU angry?

And, really Donny, quite frankly I don’t care if you see me as angry. Do I need to remind you this platform is presented as a public forum and I was graciously given the right to post anything I want within Nigel’s parameters?

Originally Posted By Dnj
show some helpful support or better yet I would of went up to them during a break or at the end of the show and talked with them as a fellow musician and offered my thoughts good or bad, many times it's very appreciative


Have you ever given advice to a musician or anyone even who took it without getting insulted? Most are so fragile they can’t take any kind of critique unless it’s positive BS.

I never forgot this, I had a close OMB friend back in the 80’s. Never met him but we spoke regularly on the phone 2-3x a week about the music business, getting gigs, equipment, etc. One day I went out to watch his show. Good performance, very good vocalist, very good guitarist, very professional. But he was using a 10 year old rhythm box. When I asked him why the next day, he got insulted and from that day on he was very cold to me. Never could figure that one out but never forgot it.

Originally Posted By Dnj
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....and btw I've been playing over 50 yrs myself..


Donnie, this is a low blow, but I couldn’t resist.....it doesn’t show! But......I DID like your version of We'll Meet Again....very well done, very well orchestrated, very good arrangement (if it was yours).

Originally Posted By Dnj
have a nice day if you can

Yes, I can, now that I finished writing this.

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