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#457648 - 09/07/18 06:50 AM Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop
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Do you think with sales of Genos lost due to the higher price point will Yamaha drop the price on the next not far off Genos2
more in line with it's competitors to increase sales?....

what are you thoughts? confused1


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#457650 - 09/07/18 07:22 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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No, not in short term, but maybe G1 will drop a bit when or if any G2 arrive if there is any items still in stock.
But, is there any 'lost sales'? Where to find that info? confused
I think a new G2 will sell aprox the same quantity as G1 ... smoke
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#457652 - 09/07/18 07:29 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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Actually i think they didn’t loose any sales...

If someone wants to pay €3000 he is also going to pay €4000 if thats the price and he knows it will(it never did) not drop..
And someone that can’t pay €4000 will also never pay €3000
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#457655 - 09/07/18 07:45 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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There is no new Genos comming. Not at all. Price drop is due internetpricing.
Some stores like to sell without making money. But problem is, if must follow as shop. the official price is stil 4995 euro. But German shop is blowing up the price even before it was available.

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#457658 - 09/07/18 09:04 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: peter G]
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Originally Posted By peter G
There is no new Genos comming. Not at all. Price drop is due internetpricing.
Some stores like to sell without making money. But problem is, if must follow as shop. the official price is stil 4995 euro. But German shop is blowing up the price even before it was available.


But then Keymusic itselves is known as a pricefighter.... i had some very nice deals there in the past.... much cheaper then local music shops... but complaining about low prices? I think being a pricefighter and offering lowest price on your website makes you part of the problem..

Maybe you should just advertise with best service... espescially in the music branche people are still willing to pay for real service, espescially gigging musicians...
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#457659 - 09/07/18 10:25 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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The market will determine the price always has been like that.

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#457670 - 09/07/18 03:17 PM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
The market will determine the price always has been like that.


Not allways... espescially not when apple is involved..
And Yamaha has a tendency to be the apple of the music industry..
They try to force shops into obeying their minimal prices...
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#457672 - 09/07/18 03:35 PM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
The market will determine the price always has been like that.


Not allways... espescially not when apple is involved..
And Yamaha has a tendency to be the apple of the music industry..
They try to force shops into obeying their minimal prices...


I'm glad I don't have apple anything never did never will...

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#457686 - 09/08/18 03:46 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
.... I'm glad I don't have apple .....


I have, and this year it's quite a lot to harvest. wink smile laugh
And yes, they taste very good too.




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#457688 - 09/08/18 05:42 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Bachus]
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its the shop who makes the price. We dont sell at this internetprice. We give 5 years waranty an exclusive content and bcs I know the Genos inside out we can give all support they want. Even the demonstrator for Yamaha dont know the Genos like we do. That makes the difference...
Thats why we are Key music.

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#457689 - 09/08/18 06:57 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: peter G]
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Originally Posted By peter G
its the shop who makes the price. We dont sell at this internetprice. We give 5 years waranty an exclusive content and bcs I know the Genos inside out we can give all support they want. Even the demonstrator for Yamaha dont know the Genos like we do. That makes the difference...
Thats why we are Key music.


I do believe that you know the Genos inside out... but i was recently at Keymusic Einhoven, the keyboard department knew a lot about stage piano’s synths and music software... but not really much on the Genos and other arrangers..

Point taken, if you give 5 years waranty this is a good thing and exclusive content is even better... that is something that would make me personally buy at keymusic...
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#457691 - 09/08/18 07:07 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Bachus]
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within the Key group I ma the specialist when it becomes to Genos.

Here is an impression what i do with it

https://www.google.be/search?q=peter+G+o...me&ie=UTF-8

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#457692 - 09/08/18 07:59 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: peter G]
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Originally Posted By peter G
within the Key group I ma the specialist when it becomes to Genos.

Here is an impression what i do with it

https://www.google.be/search?q=peter+G+o...me&ie=UTF-8


I know how good you are, i have watched all your video’s and love it.
I have learned quite a few things from just watching them..

But you have 21 shops in the Benelux...
Its incredible if you can cover them all..

What i do know about keymusic, is that in both shops i visited (eindhoven and rotterdam) people are very friendly and helpfull.. and that on their website they claim to have the lowest price...
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#457693 - 09/08/18 08:26 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Do you think with sales of Genos lost due to the higher price point will Yamaha drop the price on the next not far off Genos2
more in line with it's competitors to increase sales?....

what are you thoughts? confused1

Is this even a thing yet lol
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#457694 - 09/08/18 08:34 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Bachus]
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Im in the mainstore in sint niklaas

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#457695 - 09/08/18 08:38 AM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: Brian3331]
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Originally Posted By Brian3331
Originally Posted By Dnj
Do you think with sales of Genos lost due to the higher price point will Yamaha drop the price on the next not far off Genos2
more in line with it's competitors to increase sales?....

what are you thoughts? confused1

Is this even a thing yet lol


Just think of how many potential genos buyers went to a
MOTL S970 /S975 instead to save money or couldn't afford a genos ...this is where the problem lies and the sales loss. Not to mention some who jumped ship to a more featured TOTL/MOTL KORG, Ketron, etc, vs what you'd have to pay for a genos. That said a $1000.00 price point drop on genos 2 would benefit Yamaha...or many will just wait a year till Genos 1 drops in price.

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#457701 - 09/08/18 12:58 PM Re: Genos 2 Price drastic PRICE drop [Re: peter G]
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Originally Posted By peter G
Im in the mainstore in sint niklaas


I will be down south last week september(Limburg) if i find the time i will certainly drive by in Sint Niklaas..
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