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#458569 - 09/24/18 07:32 AM Why buy a modx instead of a Montage
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confused1 just wondering?


Edited by Dnj (09/24/18 08:23 AM)

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#458574 - 09/24/18 08:24 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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#458587 - 09/24/18 11:30 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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Price, costs less then half
Weight, weights less then half
Size, almost half

Isn’t that enough reason to buy a modx?
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#458593 - 09/24/18 11:53 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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I've listened carefully to the above video a few times since it first came out, and it seems that the Montage sounds a little better. I know that the Montage is a touch louder, but even ignoring that fact, its sounds are a tad warmer and sweeter. So, perhaps people who want the absolute best sound and can afford it are better off buying the Montage.

Funny how Yamaha always says the MODX has the same engine, or the same sounds, and never mention that it's not the exact same sound quality. Many people hear the same thing as I do, so I'm not imagining things. I've read somewhere that the MODX does not have a certain component that the Montage has. I believe they call it a "PAC".
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#458602 - 09/24/18 02:08 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Price, costs less then half
Weight, weights less then half
Size, almost half

Isn’t that enough reason to buy a modx?


There IS a big difference in overall sound quality for sure judging by all the demos I have heard of both.

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#458604 - 09/24/18 03:19 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Bachus
Price, costs less then half
Weight, weights less then half
Size, almost half

Isn’t that enough reason to buy a modx?


There IS a big difference in overall sound quality for sure judging by all the demos I have heard of both.


No,there is absolutely NO difference in sound, as its exactly the same sound engine and sound hardware...

Al sounds, effects, arps, performances that are in montgae are also in the modx..
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#458608 - 09/24/18 04:22 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Bachus
Price, costs less then half
Weight, weights less then half
Size, almost half

Isn’t that enough reason to buy a modx?


There IS a big difference in overall sound quality for sure judging by all the demos I have heard of both.


No,there is absolutely NO difference in sound, as its exactly the same sound engine and sound hardware...

Al sounds, effects, arps, performances that are in montgae are also in the modx..


Really? Then why is it so much less in price?

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#458610 - 09/24/18 04:43 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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Different DIgital to Analog converters between the Montage and the MODX.
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#458611 - 09/24/18 04:46 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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https://youtu.be/RWYW2QgJrx0

Look at 1:20... a yamaha product specialist tells the guy from Sonicstate about the differences between the Montage and MODX.
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#458612 - 09/24/18 04:49 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: shueymusic]
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Originally Posted By shueymusic
Different DIgital to Analog converters between the Montage and the MODX.


Something has to substantiate the price difference....

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#458617 - 09/24/18 06:24 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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A/D converters... that has always been a hot debate if it still plays a role at all or not. Some say all current converters are so good that you don‘t hear a difference. He mentions that the Montage has more insertion effect capabilities. I suspect this is more likely to be responsible for some layered sounds sounding fuller on Montage. It wouldn‘t be a reason for me to prefer the Montage. The Integra has very bad reverb, the MoXF had a much better one. If the MODX effects are on the MoXF level, I‘ll have nothing to complain about.

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#458622 - 09/24/18 11:20 PM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Crossover]
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Originally Posted By Crossover
A/D converters... that has always been a hot debate if it still plays a role at all or not. Some say all current converters are so good that you don‘t hear a difference.


I gotta agree with this. It is like Olympic performance. While the best may be 1% better who can really tell that sort of difference in the real world.

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#458626 - 09/25/18 02:01 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By Bachus
Price, costs less then half
Weight, weights less then half
Size, almost half

Isn’t that enough reason to buy a modx?


There IS a big difference in overall sound quality for sure judging by all the demos I have heard of both.


No,there is absolutely NO difference in sound, as its exactly the same sound engine and sound hardware...

Al sounds, effects, arps, performances that are in montgae are also in the modx..


Really? Then why is it so much less in price?


Marketing...

And inside electronics cost zero to nothing ...
The montage has an expensive case ... alluminium
And expensive knobs and sliders with ledlights...

But mostly marketing...
Which i have been saying for ages...
In this buiseness costprice has no real influence on payed price..
Prices are defined by what people are willing to pay..


Originally Posted By shueymusic
Different DIgital to Analog converters between the Montage and the MODX.


This is not really an issue..
I think they might even use the same a/d conversion...
In the case of montage and modx, you can allways use the usb digital audio out, which is lossless... and use any high end audio interface connected to your pc for best audio quallity, if you think a/d conversion really makes a difference..

I think its a no issue for atleast a decade now..
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#458627 - 09/25/18 02:09 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Crossover]
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Originally Posted By Crossover
A/D converters... that has always been a hot debate if it still plays a role at all or not. Some say all current converters are so good that you don‘t hear a difference. He mentions that the Montage has more insertion effect capabilities. I suspect this is more likely to be responsible for some layered sounds sounding fuller on Montage. It wouldn‘t be a reason for me to prefer the Montage. The Integra has very bad reverb, the MoXF had a much better one. If the MODX effects are on the MoXF level, I‘ll have nothing to complain about.


Originally Posted By Crossover
A/D converters... that has always been a hot debate if it still plays a role at all or not. Some say all current converters are so good that you don‘t hear a difference. He mentions that the Montage has more insertion effect capabilities. I suspect this is more likely to be responsible for some layered sounds sounding fuller on Montage. It wouldn‘t be a reason for me to prefer the Montage. The Integra has very bad reverb, the MoXF had a much better one. If the MODX effects are on the MoXF level, I‘ll have nothing to complain about.


The moxf effects are on Montage level, namely exactly the same..
The differences in dsp power is the number of simultanous effects
Montage 34 inser dsp, or 16 channels+ a/d input
modx 26 insert dsp, or 12 channels + a/d input

The sounds sounding fuller on the montage is probably because of internal settings..
Probably having different settings for master eq and reverb..
As the instruments insides are exactly the same..
The Montage only has a little but more of the same, but not much..
According to Blake edwards and Mister Mister Phil, there is no difference..
Just visit Yamaha’s synth forum, and see what they have to say...
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#458629 - 09/25/18 05:11 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Dnj]
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Harvard Business School 101. Pricing has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of production.

I think Fran said it. The market and competition dictates price.

I remember the first time I played the PSR-3000. I felt totally ripped off as it sounded just like my TYROS 1.

Yamaha is extremely cognizant of what the market will bear.

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#458630 - 09/25/18 06:03 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: jingleman]
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Originally Posted By jingleman
Harvard Business School 101. Pricing has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of production.

I think Fran said it. The market and competition dictates price


Well, this is true in the economic models which require the perfect market with infinite competition, an infinite number of suppliers, perfect knowledge of the consumers etc. In fact, as the number of suppliers is very limited, reality is a bit different...

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#458634 - 09/25/18 07:46 AM Re: Why buy a modx instead of a Montage [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Crossover
A/D converters... that has always been a hot debate if it still plays a role at all or not. Some say all current converters are so good that you don‘t hear a difference. He mentions that the Montage has more insertion effect capabilities. I suspect this is more likely to be responsible for some layered sounds sounding fuller on Montage. It wouldn‘t be a reason for me to prefer the Montage. The Integra has very bad reverb, the MoXF had a much better one. If the MODX effects are on the MoXF level, I‘ll have nothing to complain about.


Originally Posted By Crossover
A/D converters... that has always been a hot debate if it still plays a role at all or not. Some say all current converters are so good that you don‘t hear a difference. He mentions that the Montage has more insertion effect capabilities. I suspect this is more likely to be responsible for some layered sounds sounding fuller on Montage. It wouldn‘t be a reason for me to prefer the Montage. The Integra has very bad reverb, the MoXF had a much better one. If the MODX effects are on the MoXF level, I‘ll have nothing to complain about.


The moxf effects are on Montage level, namely exactly the same..
The differences in dsp power is the number of simultanous effects
Montage 34 inser dsp, or 16 channels+ a/d input
modx 26 insert dsp, or 12 channels + a/d input

The sounds sounding fuller on the montage is probably because of internal settings..
Probably having different settings for master eq and reverb..
As the instruments insides are exactly the same..
The Montage only has a little but more of the same, but not much..
According to Blake edwards and Mister Mister Phil, there is no difference..
Just visit Yamaha’s synth forum, and see what they have to say...


I didn‘t say the Montage sounds different, I just tried to explain why others say they are hearing differences, and to me it seems more likely to be due to different effects or effect settings than A/D converters.

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