Registered: 10/15/05
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Here is a "feature by feature" comparison of Genos vs SX900 by the UK Piano group. Definitely highlights the superior features found on the Genos (granted, at 2.5 times the price). He suggests the Chord Looper may soon be added to Genos via Firmware... He only mentions in passing the lack of speakers on Genos vs SX900. More to come I am sure....
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Who knows? Maybe there are anticipating a rush to buy the SX900 and they are trying to show there is still a lot of features unique to the Genos..... ??
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Originally Posted By Graham UK
I always want AFTER-TOUCH on my boards which the SX900 does not have.
Playing so much manual bass makes aftertouch a negative for me. Since the entire keybed responds, the velocity changes I make with my left hand would affect the sound on my right. Thankfully, for my style of play - it's mostly chord changes in the right hand, and aftertouch is not something I need for expression. Won't be long now, people - I'll be one the the first SX club members in the US. Bring on the 900. Until it gets here - Season 9 of "The Walking Dead" is keeping me busy, and VERY entertained.
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Genos here is roughly 2 1/2 times the price too. Sounds like a great keyboard, but not in the least bit tempted.
Hubby offered me an sx900, only criteria was to get rid of one of the keyboards, even if I just gave it away. So having sold the Pa4x plus his offer of the sx900, I could afford to get a genos but no, happy to get the sx900. Will do me nicely.
I’d probably then be hankering after a genos 2 if genos 1 got replaced.
Safer to stick to mid range, especially for those of us who like to upgrade our toys more often than we probably should. Haha
Here is a "feature by feature" comparison of Genos vs SX900 by the UK Piano group. Definitely highlights the superior features found on the Genos (granted, at 2.5 times the price). He suggests the Chord Looper may soon be added to Genos via Firmware... He only mentions in passing the lack of speakers on Genos vs SX900. More to come I am sure....
Ita not 2,5 times the price..
Currently with some negotian, you can have an sx-900 for around €2000 and a Brandnew Genos as cheap as €3200...
I bought my Genos about a year ago, used for €2800..
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Registered: 05/26/99
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Any keyboard designed to be Top of the line...will have at least a 5 year run... any improvements with a quality designed instrument will be soft updates.
I must say this Yamaha with the Tyros,1,2,3,4,and 5 set a a poor example.
Yamaha psr speaks for itself(terrible).
Korg is not far behind with so many PAX models..
They are just not thought out to contend as Top models.
My thoughts are that the Genos may be the first Yamaha arranger that merits a top rating.
According to Peter Baartmans the lifespan will be atleast 5 years.. They will keep patching it for the next 3 years..
Rumor says we will see the sx900’s chord looper in the upcomming Oktober update for Genos.
Hi Bachus, read something on chord looper too, great that they should be able to do it as a firmware update..
I did a bit more checking on Genos prices , it appears that have dropped here too . Started at at $6999, but can pick up as low as about $5,5 99. Still a far cry from the roughly $2500 , I’ll be able to get the sx for. If I left it for a couple of years I’d get it cheaper again. I remember I didn’t buy my psrs950 when it first got released, saved $100’s a year or two later.
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We have come to the point with arrangers where the law of diminishing returns has hit hard, therefore constant upgrades are just too expensive for a minimal upgrade, (If you compare the SX900 to the S970, while it is better, it is not that much better unless you are a die hard Yamaha fan and need an excuse to change) hence the slow down in new model launches.
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We have come to the point with arrangers where the law of diminishing returns has hit hard, therefore constant upgrades are just too expensive for a minimal upgrade, (If you compare the SX900 to the S970, while it is better, it is not that much better unless you are a die hard Yamaha fan and need an excuse to change) hence the slow down in new model launches.
Registered: 05/26/99
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Originally Posted By Graham UK
I always want AFTER-TOUCH on my boards which the SX900 does not have.
Playing so much manual bass makes aftertouch a negative for me. Since the entire keybed responds, the velocity changes I make with my left hand would affect the sound on my right. Thankfully, for my style of play - it's mostly chord changes in the right hand, and aftertouch is not something I need for expression. Won't be long now, people - I'll be one the the first SX club members in the US. Bring on the 900. Until it gets here - Season 9 of "The Walking Dead" is keeping me busy, and VERY entertained.
Not a factor... simply make sure after touch is not in use with the manual bass .
Registered: 12/01/99
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Originally Posted By Graham UK
I always want AFTER-TOUCH on my boards which the SX900 does not have.
Playing so much manual bass makes aftertouch a negative for me. Since the entire keybed responds, the velocity changes I make with my left hand would affect the sound on my right. Thankfully, for my style of play - it's mostly chord changes in the right hand, and aftertouch is not something I need for expression. Won't be long now, people - I'll be one the the first SX club members in the US. Bring on the 900. Until it gets here - Season 9 of "The Walking Dead" is keeping me busy, and VERY entertained.
Not a factor... simply make sure after touch is not in use with the manual bass .
Also velocity is not after touch
The LH changes in pressure (initial, and after) affect the other RH sounds too. I fyou shut off after touch in all tones, you're paying for something you don't use.
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Registered: 05/26/99
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You are not turning off after touch, it is mechanical, but how it is processed by individual parts..
How long has it been since you used it
BTW: On the G70 after touch can be used with Upper 1,2,3 Lower 1,2 and arranger. Manual bass is excluded from after touch.. you can play LH bass without any concerns.
Registered: 12/01/99
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
You are not turning off after touch, it is mechanical, but how it is processed by individual parts..
How long has it been since you used it
First of all - comparing everything to your precious dinosaur is just white noise at this point,. We ALL know how much you love the G-70. As for the aftertouch .... I never use it. That's why I won't pay for it if I have a choice. Playing mostly RH chords doesn't really warrant any more expression than I can get from velocity. I play so few melody lines; I never miss it. I'm actually more excited about this SX900 than I have been in a long while. If the PA4x had speakers, it'd be a different ball game. The PA1000 was such a disappointment. I wanted that to be a baby 4x so badly. Just didn't make the cut. Except for the glass screen, I'd rather play the PA900. So, soon I'll be in the Yammie camp, and the 4X will live in the studio.
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