Lee, this happens when the right and notes in the last measure are tied into the next measure. Have I got that right?

Opinion only: There are times when notes are tied together from measure to measure ending a thought – and the vari should be pressed for the next measure, not interfering with the music thought. Maybe a break or a fill might fit better.

Don’t take this as Gospel, I’m just guessing.
John C.

PS, Doony is right, gotta hear it played to understand.

John, interesting idea....I was trying to change the sounds at the measure break, BUT because the music has a ties from last measure to the new one that's when I get the bad surprises.

It only happens if you let the OTS link handle the OTS change, not if you do it yourself (would rather let the OTS link do it, but not going to happen unless I go in and do DSP setup programming to make the DSP match on the 2 sounds). It's workable...in fact I may not use the OTS link at all so things are consistent... I can use OTS or registrations instead.

The key here is: you have to have your R hand OFF the keys when you make a Var change using either OTS link or even if using OTS or REG. buttons by themselves.

I used to use registrations on my old Yamaha HS8T organ (was that cool the buttons were in between the upper/lower keyboards)

@leeboy

No matter how hard you try: switching voices with different DSPs on the same part (= midi channel) is always asking for trouble on ANY Yamaha arranger. Genos included.

The sound generator will "immediately" apply the new DSP processing to the audio coming out from that channel.

Even if you released the keys before switching the voice (manually, via OTS, via Registration, it does not matter) the decaying part of the dying notes will still produce a sound that will be picked up by the new DSP, even if you do not play any new note.

If the new DSP is set to amplify enough the signal or apply feedback (i.e.: Guitar stomp box with distortion. compressor, delay) you end up with nasty and unwanted noises.

It is a lost cause. There is nothing you can do, except to blame Yamaha.

To add insult to injury, many DSP effects are applied with a small (but noticeable, probably in the 100ms range) delay. This means that if you change the DSP and then immediately play a note, the new note attack is cut until the DSP effect catches up (probably an internal delay line whose buffer must be filled before something can come out from the effect).

This is super annoying too. Although less noticeable because most people do NOT play a note immediately after switching the DSP.

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If you want to ELIMINATE the problem once for all and be free to play and switch OTS when you like, glitch free, you should try our software Groovyband Live!. There is a free demo. It perfectly complements your hardware because it is designed to work with Yamaha arrangers.

In addition you can stack 2 insert DSPs per part, and use all the DSPs you have in whatever part you wish. And enjoy literally hundreds of other advanced features your Yamaha firmware simply does not give you.

To learn more you can check our website or also read a few threads on this forum (only a few days old, just scroll down a page or two in the recent threads list, or use the search function). The software comes with 860 high quality styles, you can listen to some of them both on our website and in files attached to those posts by some of our users. They modded some of them with outstanding results and also unprecedented ease (their words, not ours).

If this is all true...how can so many be using the Yamaha arranger at home and professionally?

I have seen lots of playing , changing OTS etc using standard factory styles/OTS and/or registrations with very nice results....if it is that bad no one would ever buy one...

I don't see a name for you in your profile?

Also, I am not under any conditions going down the SW arranger path again. I do not want to do any programming. Especially anything as deep as DSP. I bought the Yamaha for content, available styles and quality voices. AND supposedly smooth style engine.

THIS TIME I am going to concentrate on learning music better and perfecting my playing.

If the SX-900 will not give me smooth transitions to different sounds I will can it, and get something that will.

Thanks,

Lee sorry it didn't work out for you at least
you gave it a shot, I'm sure there is a good return policy...
good luck on your next musical venture...
but I sure wish you would record the problem
so we can hear what you actually mean..?
I for one am still confused to your musical direction and needs>>>

Maybe the new Roland Fantom is the way to go..?
at 14:10 he discusses using patterns which is a
very kool way to create music...

Lee, for me, this has never been a problem because I always used my right hand to switch voices, therefore, I had to lift my hands off the keys in order to select the next voice. The transitional problem has existed since the PSR-2000 came out so many, many years ago and has never been addressed, though there have been several posts about the problem on many forums that Yamaha monitors. Not sure why they never bothered to tackle the problem, though.

I purchased the PSR-500 and PSR-5700 many, many years ago and used them double stacked on a monster stand that DonM still uses today. What enticed me to Yamaha was the styles and right hand sounds. I have also owned a Korg M1, Roland 800, and a few other brands, but always came back to Yamaha for those wonderful styles and sounds.

None of the operating systems thrilled me, but over the years, I dedicated a lot of time to learning every aspect of Yamaha's OS so I could better utilize the many features available for live performers.

Good luck on whatever you decide upon,

Gary

Hi Lee,
If sx doesn’t end up suiting your style of playing, probably lucky you didn’t hang out for the Genos, probably wouldn’t have suited either.

I mainly use piano for r/h sound so still haven’t come across the problem which obviously does exist. Wasn’t aware of it though.
If I do end up using other sounds, I’d probably set up my registrations to suit.
I noticed there were some suggestions on yammie forum.

So what is this Groovyband.live is talking about? He says even if you lift you RH and change OTS or Reg it still fails???

Rikki, I will try to record something. I do not know how to post it here, but I can figure it out.
I have not given up on the SX yet....and I'm sure I can work it out....a lot of folks are using them with great success.

Open a box account to post songs etc here..

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