I hate speaker stands, and when using either my Bose S1 or my standard EV 12" powered speakers, I just set them on the floor, or maybe elivate them a bit if there is a chair or something around, either in front or behind me, depending and the volume requirements.

I never see anybody else doing this though. Am I missing something?

https://www.musicradar.com/how-to/how-to...eaker-placement

Jerryghr

The artical Jerry posted explains it very well. If using regular speakers , stands are necessary. No one hated stands more than me. A pain to move, set up, get the speaker on/off, big footprint on small stages, danger of tripping.
I solved the problem with my linear PA the Eon Ones. I have a pair.One of the best investments I ever made in equipment. There are many others doing this type of PA now including Mackie who just jumped in. With 12", 10", 8" subs depending on how much power you want. Check them out. Not only do they sound better, give better dispersion, and to me much more clarity, but they pack up into themselves so are easy to move.

I had 2 of the JBL eon one line array speakers I liked them
for a while until I heard 2 of the the RCF Jmix8, J8, system
that I purchased from Frank at Audioworks OMG !!
they blew them away big time.
Definitely the best pa system I have ever heard and used.
and you don't need to carry speaker stands.

https://www.rcf.it/products/product-detail/-/journal_content/56_INSTANCE_2MT9qNpeXdu4/20195/493250

[quote=Dnj]I had 2 of the JBL eon one line array speakers I liked them
for a while until I heard 2 of the the RCF Jmix8, J8, system
that I purchased from Frank at Audioworks OMG !!
they blew them away big time.
Definitely the best pa system I have ever heard and used.
and you don't need to carry speaker stands.

https://www.rcf.it/products/product-detail/-/journal_content/56_INSTANCE_2MT9qNpeXdu4/20195/493250
That one i haven't heard of, looks great. And with a 12" sub it should outpreform the JBL,s. But then you get more weight. Yamahas got a bigger one too. tempted to try the new Mackies. Still got a 10" sub but smaller/ lighter than the JBL's . Nah, who am I kidding, I'm not changing LOL!

Bill
RCF is one of the most respected Companies in the business.
and the onboard mixer is top pro quality also.
I also like the fact that unlike other line array units
the top speakers can rotate in any direction without
turning the sub. And the top speakers fits
In the Sub for transport also great design.

I can happily recommend Alto TS310 to put on stands. Lightweight high power active and sound seriously good to my admittedly moderate hearing. Well worth an audition. Can confirm that RCF are pretty good as well.

I stopped using speaker stands when I purchased my first Bose L1 PAS system. Never needed them after that and gave them away to a friend. A year later he purchased a Bose L1 PAS and gave them to a DJ. With most vertical array systems, speaker stands are totally useless because of the incredible sound distribution, both vertically and horizontally. Additionally, with just 10 percent falloff at 100 feet with the PAS system, that pretty much ended the use of conventional speakers on stands with a 50 percent falloff at 100 feet.

I did run across one guy that used an amp stand to place his Bose S1 upon, which kept it low enough to the floor for good bass and yet projected the high and mid sounds at a higher level. He later bought a pair of Bose L1 Compacts, and just used the S1 for living room parties.



All the best,

Gary

It may appear that I contradict my friend Gary on just about everything

My opinions are based on real world experiences, meaning I use the gear the way I describe..


In recent topics I am in different corners than Gary..

He mentioned he tested in a store a battery powered speaker (.4 amp, that was most likely a Roland BA330).
He said after to minutes it would drop off.. I have used the BA330 on battery many times at a large volume (rated at 109db) for over 5 hours on gigs, and ten hours at home with a lower volume..

Like wise I use the Marantz on battery power (118db) with the same duration results.. Go figure


On the car battery issue, I believe Cold crank amps "matter"


And on this topic, I have had nothing but success with my powered speakers on the floor, and yes I like conventional speakers.

My big guns have been Roland Cubes for more than 35 years.. I used them in all situations.. Sure there are problem rooms that need adjustments, and I have always found a way to sound okay.

My old band preferred Pa speakers on poles (for the vocals, I always added a floor unit for keyboard to get the intended sound of a real band.).

I played rooms where you had to direct speakers in a direction, even to the point of bouncing off a wall behind a stage.

Naturally the most important thing is not to block the sound from any speaker, even array speakers. I use to have a couple cute girls stand in front of the speakers years ago, it was worth the trade off

The first thing you will notice when you pole a speaker, the user looks for an alternative to get that bass on the floor again... usually a sub woofer.

In 35 years I personally have never needed a sub woofer... Why because I use keyboard amps designed to use on the floor.

Some situations, I would pop off the rear wheels on my Cubes and it would tilt the speakers nearly perfect to project to the back of a crowded floor.. The Cubes are 3 way speakers,, the tweeter and horn projects well with the tilt and the woofer is where it belongs, on the floor.

So that is my real world experience.

I had a pair of Roland CM-30 cube monitors for a short while. They sounded muddy to me when I just set them on the floor. A little better if I angled them "up" or set them on a chair. Eventually I sold them because I don't gig and all my boards had built-in speakers.

When I bought my BK-9 "silent wonder" I also sprung for a CM-110 (two monitors and a subwoofer.) I didn't want to put shelves on the wall above my keyboard, so I invested in stands for the monitors. It makes for a cluttered look, but it sounds really good to my ears- even better several feet away in the room than it does when sitting at the keyboard! My $.02.

I use two Carvin 12 cabs on the floor in dining rooms. I put two Carvin 10's in a 2nd room on shelves. I use a powered monitor in a mike stand near me.

The Carvin's at floor level don't blow anybody's head off. And the fall off works when people want to sit in the back, with less volume.

Cabs are at least 20 years old. Carvin has been out of business for at least 7 years. Still use Two Carvin heads. When they go, they're gone.

Don't like anything Bose makes.

Russ

Ted don't get my Roland Cube 100's confused with CM-30's

Mine are 70 pounds each.. 15", with horns and tweeters.

I'm still using my trusty JBL 10 Eon G2's with great success. Never have I used speaker poles and never will. It's all how you place them, if I'm at the same level as the audience I just tilt them up so the sound bounces off the ceiling, disperses nicely throughout the room and doesn't blast anyone in the face. If I'm on a stage or platform I will generally point them straight forward and get good coverage. I've never had a complaint that there're not loud enough. On the contrary there have been occasions where I have been asked to turn down when it's a room that's hard for me to tell what's going on with the acoustics. All that and only 23 lbs each.

Also, being on the floor gives a very adequate bass which can be adjusted by changing the EQ, and/or how close they are to the wall.

Scott