Ha, reasonable is the important word. When one calls another an idiot for expressing his or her opinion I don't think that is reasonable. Now, I may think that some of the arguments presented are idiotic I really need to be careful about how I say it, even in the bar.

I believe there are three types of truth; 1. personal, 2. political, and 3, objective. Most of the facts presented here are of the first two types. Either personal beliefs or politically correct positions. Very few are real truths and that's ok. I would remind you however, that prior to 1492 it was an absolute truth that the world was flat.

I believe (there's that damn word again) that we all need to be a little more careful in the way we put others political or religious beliefs down.

Too true but I think there may now be a 4th truth for some - Social truth. It is being bent into polictical but many think it is personal but it is not as many are too afraid to speak their personal beliefs/ ideas/ truths as they get put down. It is just so confusing so people loose their backbone sometimes to keep the peace.

But there is a place for everything and if you apply a slice of empathy with what you want to say you can ( most of the time) speak your mind.

On political correctness, I am afraid the pendulum has swung too far to one side and we have lost our funny bone somewhere.

Unfortunately even watching Monty Python or Black Adder has become foul of the Political Correctness mob.


Allan

Well thought out observations...BOTH of you.

Thanks so much!

R.

Social truth! Now thats a new one. I dropped out of a Sociology class due to the fact that its proponents feel that societies rights trump personal rights. This is a big difference in the arguments.

Absolutely! But, todays society is leaning more and more to that direction without logical thought. Many use it to prop up their "beliefs" instead of looking to the facts and history. They would rather wipe and rewrite history to suit their current narrative. Just look what is happening in universities these days and the freedom of thought has been pushed to the socialist side.

I am never against freedom of thought as long as they think logically and apply it to themselves before they inflick it onto and against others.

There are many advantages to the socialist agenda, except there is no country where it has ever really worked to help the average person. It usually gets twisted into communism or despotism/ dictatorship; the rich get it all and the poor get the dregs. And it all starts with people thinking "you should" instead of "what works and helps everyone".

This all leads to the new social truth which is not real truth but an agenda that steers a group/ or country in a certain direction in the long run. But it is never really proven to be THE TRUTH.

Hope the pendulum drifts back to the centre soon, before there is civil war and not just in one country either.


Allan

Me, Too, Allen. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

R.

excellent points Allen. Except maybe the only answer is cival war. what then?

Then I will keep my guns loaded and close I guess.

The way things have been going, that might not be a bad idea. Where I live I'm afraid there may be a major eruption if Biden wins. Where you live there may be a major eruption if Trump wins. Its possible that no one will win in the end.

It depends on the "socialist agenda" If Universal Healthcare is included, then almost all civilized countries will disagree in that it does work for the average person, and is not a twisted plot to enter communism or dictatorship. In fact it's a world wide majority opinion that Healthcare is a human right.

It's rather unfair to give a general assumption that socialism leads to Communism. Therefore, maybe explain a little better what you mean by a social agenda not working. There are very few Communist Nations, and many "Socialist" Nations, happy that the government is providing Domestic Tranquility

Heck the USA can be considered a Socialist Nation. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Police, Fire Departments, Transportation, etc., all working for the better, as it "should".

Peace and Vote on, or before, Tuesday