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#507260 - 12/20/22 11:47 PM
KETRON CHORD LOOPER AT LAST!
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#507277 - 12/22/22 09:46 AM
Re: KETRON CHORD LOOPER AT LAST!
[Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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That appears to be an awfully convoluted way to do something that, in its essence, can be done with two buttons.
You are playing, you hit record, when you get to the end of the loop you hit Play. Done.. Live. Interactive. Spontaneous. Simple.
Now yes, I realize that with storable chord sequences, especially multi part ones (like Yamaha pioneered) it all needs setting up in advance. But at its core, the feature since Roland first did it (possibly someone else, I’m a bit hazy about a feature that first appeared nearly 30 years ago!) was a fast, simple interactive way to capture your first time through the song or section and quickly have it take over your left hand chord input chores. It could simply (with those same two buttons) be turned on and off at any time, and a different section could be recorded over the original loop at any time, say for a vamp out.
Having hardware buttons dedicated to the function made it quick to engage and disengage, which I’m not sure that paging through screens really will encourage spontaneous use. Perhaps there’s a way to retask a couple of buttons close to the keyboard for Record and Play..?
By the way, on a practical musician perspective, remembering what ‘Scene 1’, ‘Scene 2’ ‘Scene 3’ mean when you have hundreds of tunes in your repertoire is a non-starter. Perhaps I missed it in the video, but is there somewhere where you can give these scene buttons more practical names per setup, like ‘Verse’, ‘Chorus’, ‘Solo’, ‘Pre-Chorus’ etc., which will make performing a LOT easier? And nice BIG type, unlike Yamaha’s tiny font!
I’m glad to see what was once considered a niche feature become a staple of normal arranger design, but I feel that burying it in the Launchpad architecture kind of distracts from the spontaneous, simple nature of the feature in its core form. The multi-scene chord loops are all well and good, and a fantastic addition to any arranger. But in its original incarnation, the chord sequencer/looper was a simple, quick way to grab what you were actively playing and quickly loop it at will.
All it took was two buttons… 🎹
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#507317 - 12/26/22 04:15 PM
Re: KETRON CHORD LOOPER AT LAST!
[Re: Diki]
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Registered: 03/21/01
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That appears to be an awfully convoluted way to do something that, in its essence, can be done with two buttons.
You are playing, you hit record, when you get to the end of the loop you hit Play. Done.. Live. Interactive. Spontaneous. Simple.
Now yes, I realize that with storable chord sequences, especially multi part ones (like Yamaha pioneered) it all needs setting up in advance. But at its core, the feature since Roland first did it (possibly someone else, I’m a bit hazy about a feature that first appeared nearly 30 years ago!) was a fast, simple interactive way to capture your first time through the song or section and quickly have it take over your left hand chord input chores. It could simply (with those same two buttons) be turned on and off at any time, and a different section could be recorded over the original loop at any time, say for a vamp out.
Having hardware buttons dedicated to the function made it quick to engage and disengage, which I’m not sure that paging through screens really will encourage spontaneous use. Perhaps there’s a way to retask a couple of buttons close to the keyboard for Record and Play..?
By the way, on a practical musician perspective, remembering what ‘Scene 1’, ‘Scene 2’ ‘Scene 3’ mean when you have hundreds of tunes in your repertoire is a non-starter. Perhaps I missed it in the video, but is there somewhere where you can give these scene buttons more practical names per setup, like ‘Verse’, ‘Chorus’, ‘Solo’, ‘Pre-Chorus’ etc., which will make performing a LOT easier? And nice BIG type, unlike Yamaha’s tiny font!
I’m glad to see what was once considered a niche feature become a staple of normal arranger design, but I feel that burying it in the Launchpad architecture kind of distracts from the spontaneous, simple nature of the feature in its core form. The multi-scene chord loops are all well and good, and a fantastic addition to any arranger. But in its original incarnation, the chord sequencer/looper was a simple, quick way to grab what you were actively playing and quickly loop it at will.
All it took was two buttons… 🎹 For KETRON, this feature was not designed to be a fast simple one but rather one that is expanded and can be used for many things. Yes, the SCENES are renamable (in the latest OS) and can be stored as registrations too.
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