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#510611 - 02/22/25 08:08 PM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: abacus]
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I attached my very first SMF (also in Mp3) created with Cakewalk Pro Audio 9.

Arioso by J.S. Bach

Only the Drum and Bass tracks were created with the BK-9. The other instruments were recorded with the DAW.

I was able to record 3 tracks at the same time. I used two BK-9's, one of them was used as a sound module. Very minimal quantization was used.

Enjoy... keys



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Arioso - Bach .mp3 (11 downloads)
ARIOSO - Bach .mid (14 downloads)



Edited by Dengizich (02/22/25 08:12 PM)

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#510616 - 02/23/25 01:53 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Dengizich]
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Unless using GM sounds (Which are standard in all instruments) the Midi file will only play correctly with your keyboard, so posting both a Midi and audio file is a good idea. (BTW: The recording sounds fine)

Here are a couple of videos that will hopefully allow you to understand Midi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFecOaD4CU&t=21s

https://youtu.be/IoUtshlzCTo

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#510617 - 02/23/25 05:11 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Dengizich]
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Thank you, abacus for the videos.

That's the reason I included both formats. Although you gave me a good idea, since I have a Yamaha DGX-670 that plays anything you throw at it, I'll be curious how it sounds.

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#510626 - 02/23/25 04:35 PM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Dengizich]
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You need to read your DAW’s manual about how to create tracks that record ALL channels, and either playback ALL channels, or you use a command to split them into each separate channel on a separate track.

If you record a multi-channel performance (like a split or layered keyboard sound or the output of the arranger) into the DAW, it should preserve the channel info, but if the track is set to output on only ONE channel, it’s only going to play one sound (but play everything recorded through that one sound!). 😱😂

Depending on your DAW, I find the simplest way to hook up the keyboard is to leave the local off stuff alone on the keyboard, but make SURE that incoming MIDI does not get passed through to the MIDI out. Only the output of the track in play mode. That way, no loops, and no weirdness while recording.

One last piece of advice…

I find that trying to record the entire data stream of an arranger going full blast plus your live performance all in one go can sometimes lead to a little bit of timing issues, especially around Variation changes when sometimes a lot of sysex gets sent. I find that doing the basic arranger recording to the internal MIDI Recorder and then saving the recording as an SMF and then importing the SMF to your DAW (save it to your BK9’s USB stick then put the stick into your computer - sadly there’s no way to transfer the file via your USB or MIDI cable) makes for a MUCH tighter capture and fixes any timing issues when sysex gets sent…

As always, I strongly recommend not trying to learn this basic stuff AND compose at the same time. Do little exercises first to get the basic workflow down first. Don’t record a whole tune, record an eight bar exercise. Practice each technical part (recording, transferring the SMF, setting up the separate tracks in the DAW, changing volumes and effects levels etc, editing the tracks for mistakes, replacing sections with your own playing, editing the drums, converting the MIDI part to audio if you want to use plug-ins for say EQ or compression etc.) BEFORE you try to do a whole piece…

Just like playing, you need to practice first before you can record well without getting horribly frustrated! Trying to figure out a basic process you should already know while you’re trying to be creative is the best way to make you give up! Little eight bar exercises will allow you to quickly find out if you don’t yet know how to do something, and to work on it without what you’re working on being critical…

Slow down, learn your DAW, then you will be in a position to not have to figure stuff out as you try to create… 😎🎹🤔
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#510644 - 02/26/25 10:20 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Diki]
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Oh, what a major breakthrough...!?

I won't have to use two keyboards to record on multiple tracks, that's not necessary anymore. As you all know I'm reading the DAW's manual, chapter by chapter, word by word, letter by letter, and I'm uncovering new knowledge day by day. dancers


I'm sharing with you today's knowledge: dance


To Record multiple tracks simultaneously within Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 with only ONE Keyboard, set up Cakewalk AP9 as described below:


→ Menu Bar → Options → Project → select MIDI Input Tab

→ under Echo Mode select NONE, this will prevent double notes within the sound module

→ In the LOCAL ON PORT box type “1” which is the only keyboard connected to the computer, by doing this you’ll tell Cakewalk AP9 to leave your keyboard’s LOCAL alone, otherwise by default Cakewalk (AP9) turns LOCAL OFF, but you don’t want that because you want to hear Up1, Up2, Lwr, M.Bass, MI, while recording, plus it’s not messing up your Performance Memories.


I also attached a cartoon that I made, since a picture is worth a thousand words. You'll might have to zoom in to be able to read the text.

dance dancers


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#510645 - 02/26/25 10:33 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Dengizich]
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Good job! See? Little steps, one by one, and soon the recording process become second nature and something you don’t have to scratch your head over while you are composing. 🎹😎
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#510646 - 02/26/25 10:41 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Diki]
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Thank you Master Jedi, I'm trying to be a good padawan. smile

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#510648 - 02/26/25 11:30 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Diki]
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By the way, I had to ditch the Windows 7 Laptop, because Cakewalk Audio Pro 9 wasn't working properly with that OS. I had to bring back to life my old Windows XP tower computer that was sitting in the basement. So everything you hear or see was created within the Windows XP environment smile.


Although the XP is not used for posting and I'm not connecting it to the internet either. smile

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#510655 - 02/27/25 07:16 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Dengizich]
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Recording on a Single Track with one keyboard using Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and a BK-9:


I'll include the schematic for the second scenario, where only a single track will be recorded.

(I mean you could record multiple tracks simultaneously but you'll hear only one sound for all tracks, that's why this is not suitable for multiple track recordings)


These schematics that I included, might not be useful for different DAW's and different keyboards, but the concept should be similar.


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#510665 - 02/28/25 10:09 AM Re: What MIDI creator/ editor software are you using? [Re: Dengizich]
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Check the ‘Channel’ setting for MIDI tracks in Cakewalk. As well as setting Ch. 1-16, there should also be a setting for ‘All’ or something like that. So if you record a multi-track part to one track, when you hit play on the DAW ‘all’ the parts on that track should play out on the channels originally recorded in. If you set it to just one channel output, it will play all Parts into one sound.
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