Hi!

I have a lot of music in my kn750 and very good styles. Is there a way to make styles with some computer software and then use the styles in techincs? because it would be nicer to make styles with computer rather than with the kn750.

If it is, what kind of software would be good?

And other thing, can i somehow use my kn750 styles and songs in my roland g-800? Like convert them to GM or something?

Thank you for advance!

Hi.

EMC have both convert softwrae and stylemaker software for use on a PC.

Happy Playing, Creating & Converting
GJ
http://www.emc-musicsoftware.de/viashop/storefront/start.asp?

Yes, i did find that program, mainly the demo version. But it doesn't read the technics disk, when I put it in my computer. I believe technics used some own format that computers don't understand.

So, how do I import my song OR style to the program? via midi? how does that happen?

I asume the styles are saved by use of your KN750?
If so, the files should be similiar to the KN800
and EMC should be able to read according to the list
of compatibility.
I have to say that I'm not quite sure, but maybe a
e-mail to Klauss at EMC would clarify if it's different
type of headings in the files we're talking about, and
thats why they wont load.

To export into midifiles if KN750 are as KN800, is not
easy at all, specially cause it's not GM compatible
and the drums are not numbered as far as I know.
But again, I'm not any expert, probably some other of
the members here who know a lot more about it.

Good Luck & Happy Playing
GJ

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 04-09-2006).]

Yes, the styles are made with kn750. But i got the styles open, and converted them. But how about those songs that i have made? can they be transformed to GM, so that my Roland g800 can play them?

Maybe you can transfer from KN750 to G800 via Midi-connection,
but you'll have quite a challenge to program the drums as long
as the KN750 is not GM compatible, and drums are not numbered.

But maybe I'm totally wrong, so come'on guys, anyone done this?

GJ


[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 04-09-2006).]

Hi Jonny,
I think you are correct, the drums are going to cause real problems.

I used to midi either my kn2000 or kn3000
( can't remember which, but it wasn't gm compatible) to my roland g800. The drums were a real problem.

I think I did have a drum map though.

I used to convert the drums manually in one of my old atari sequencer programs. Tedious job.
If the kn750 songs can be recorded to a sequencer as a midifile, there's a program called GN midi.
One of the functions literally splits a drum track up into seperate tracks, 1 track per each type of drum instrument ie bass drums has it's own track, hihat etc etc
then it would just be a case of transposing each of these drum tracks into the correct instrument. You'd need a p.c. sequencer.
A bit hit & miss if you don't know the kn750 drum mapping.
I think there's a demo you can download & use for 5 days. http://www.gnmidi.com/

best wishes
Rikki
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/makingstyles/
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
[B] Maybe you can transfer from KN750 to G800 via Midi-connection,
but you'll have quite a challenge to program the drums as long
as the KN750 is not GM compatible, and drums are not numbered.

But maybe I'm totally wrong, so come'on guys, anyone done this?

GJ

Hi Rikki

Correct me if I'm wrong, but KN2000 was GM compatible I think,
KN1000 was the last who was not?
Anyway, to convert a sequensed song to a GM file was/is still
quite a job to do, even if the KN's are "GM-compatible".

I've always wondered why Technics had to do it that way, cause
it sure would be nice to save as GM-midifile to playback from
other devices, such as i.e. a soundmodule or stright from the
PC.

Happy Playing
GJ

Hi Jonny,
you're probably correct.
Is it the saving as midifile function , that the kn2000 lacked?? The memory's not what it used to be.
I know I used to split up the drum tracks, but it must have been done to alter drum velocities, not notes. I was forever trying all sorts of weird things.

I used Gn Midi recently to revoice one of my old Yamaha Dom30 songs. It's not GM either. I couldn't have done it without being able to split up the drum track.

best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gunnar Jonny:
[B] Hi Rikki

Ok... Now, what does sys-ex dump mean? I have that function in my technics? Could I somehow transfer the song to the computer by using that function? And then use the gn-midi to adjust drum track, and then save it to a general midifile and then save the song to a disk and use it in roland g800?

Or should i just connect my technics to computer, record the midi data what technics sends when it plays the song and transfer that to a GM song?

Maybe this will answer some of your questions:
http://www.cakewalk.com/support/docs/sysx.asp

Again, as long as the saved sequenserfiles you have from your
KN750 don't have the drums as GM, you have to remap the drums,
and that's something I'm not familiar to.
You can i.e. transfer the tracks from KN to G8 by midiconnection
when your equipment is proper set, but you will not manage to
transfer the drumtrack properly, if transfer at all.

But here is an older posts from the forum where similiar topic
is dicussed, maybe it is for any help:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum25/HTML/000649.html

Cheers
GJ

Hi,
if you can record your KN song to a p.c sequencer do it.
Hopefully the KN750 actually sends drum tracks as notes. (The KN800 only sent program changes or sys ex data, not the actual notes)
Once you've got your midifile , use GN Midi to break up the drum track. You'll end up with 10 to 20 individual drum tracks , with only one type of drum instrument per track.
Save the midifile as format 1 (not 0)
You should have drum maps of your g800 in the back of the manual.
Does your kn750 have drum maps in the manual?
If not, you're going to have to try and work it out yourself, which can be very difficult.

If you have drum maps for both instruments, it'simply a case of transposing each of the drum tracks to the correct g800 drum instrument.

Just say bass drum in KN is an a2 note and bass drum in g800 is a c1 note, all you do is transpose the a2 drum track down to a c1 drum track.
You'll have to do this with each of the tracks.

best wishes
Rikki
It's an awful lot of work.

Just got the kn750 and g800 talking to each other. So, if anyone knows about how to change the roland's drum mapping? because that would be easier than to drive the songs thru pc and change every drum to a correct place. Or if hte g800 can access a drum patch from a disk? is there a program to make this drum patch, or do you know if someone has done it?

Asking this because all the other instruments work just fine, and the drums aren't bad, only when cymbals come to the picture. they are messed up.

And other thing, is the control track from the technics possible to be read in g800? like changing tones and changing the mixer settings during the song?

Anyway, thanx for all your help so far, I really appreciate it, and still can't believe, that there are so helpful people in the world!

Hi,
doesn't the sequencer in the g800 have event list editing ??? if it's only the odd drum that doesn't sound right, scroll thru & delete or change drum to something else.
best wishes
Rikki

[QUOTE]Originally posted by blackmoor:
[B]
Asking this because all the other instruments work just fine, and the drums aren't bad, only when cymbals come to the picture. they are messed up.

Hi again!

This time I would like to know what program would be easy and fast way to make new comps for tecchnics kn750 and for roland g800?

I have emc styleworks, but i don't know how to make new comps or even edit comps with it.

If there is a better program, or if you could help me how to edit comps with emc, i would really appreciate it!

Hi,
with emc styleworks 2000 universal
you should be able to make styles using the song to style convertor ie
you could record all the style parts as a midifile in a sequencer, then use the song to style convertor to turn it into a style for either keyboard if you have universal.

You can also use the import /export function to edit styles in a sequencer. You can do limited editing of a style if you have the " Plus" package in EMC. You can edit notes, delete notes but you don't appear to be able to add them.

best wishes
Rikki
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/makingstyles/

Someone is offering me a technics kn 901. What is that keyboeard? is it like kn 1000?


Is it gm compatible? and could this read my song diskettes?