Hi fellow musicians,
I think I'm not alone among many KN players
who have seldom if ever attempted to edit the
sounds on the board. In my last post to Bebop
I offered a zip file of sounds that someone
had edited and found that they were gratefully received so I thought I would start a thread on this seldom discussed subject.
Having looked at the way some of these sounds
were edited on my K7 I found that some suprising results can be obtained quite simply, for example if you want a piano with
a lot of punch & depth, select a strong piano
sound in Rt1 then press Programs then Sound Edit then Tone. You will see the 4 tones that
can be used to make the sound Plus the Vlevel
and Detune and Pan. I found that if the sound
selected is placed in Tone 1 & 2 and then panned one to left and one to the Rt and then
a different piano used in 3 & 4 panned to centre with the volumes adjusted to taste a
very rich sound can be produced.
As a novice at editing I am hoping that our
expert members could give some tips and details of their succesfull edits.
Happy Playing and all the best to all.
Brian.

Hi Brian,

I share your interest in sound modification using sound edit. I made a trip from Manchester to a place near Harrogate today and listened to Tony Pegler's CD "Its A Swing Thing". Tony produced the CD on the KN5000 and KN6000. The sounds he used had to be sounds he modified, and like you, I want to learn more about this very important feature. I would appreciate someone with experience in this area to share some great edits with us. We can learn from our experts. Maybe someone could write a short tutorial. I have Alec Pagida's "How Do I Do That?" book and he explains the steps used in Sound Edit. But a more detailed explanation accompanied by some examples would be a great teaching tool. Hopefully someone will respond.

Chuck

As an addition to my post, for those that are interested, I am compiling a set of edited sounds that I have copied from some of the sequences sent out by members. If you
check the sound memory on some of these you may find something useful. The way I am doing this is, first initialize the sound memory then insert the sequence disc and press load ONCE then go to page 3 and press Mode to scroll to Sound Memory, you can then
scroll through the edited sounds in the From Box for the sound you want and then choose a
slot in the Two Box and press load. When finished save your Sound Memory to floppy or
SD to be used the next time instead of initializing. I hope this is of some help to others like me who hav'nt tried this before.
All The Best
Brian

Good thinking, Brian. I've always been on the lookout for new or improved styles, but haven't specifically looked out for new and improved sounds. I'd certainly be interested in your compliation of edited sounds.

Regards,
Mike

What a good idea Brian - I would certainly be interested in file(s) of sounds and fuller description and the logic of changing them. I have noticed and use members sound memories and find them extremely good and useful. Been meaning to get them together so they are readily available on call.

I think you could go on a months full time course for keyboards and logic/principles and still wouldn't scratch the surface.

Joan

Sound Edit is not my best area. I created what I felt was a good trumpet,the next day when I listened, it sounded terrible. It's not easy, and it is subject to what our own ears relate to.
After much effort, my friend and I created a good trumpet. From that I made a few variations--Mellow, Strong, Sweet, ect.
The trumpet on the KN7000 has come close, in some cases better.
I do have a violin that I love.(not strings)Technics has not come close to that one.

On that note--Yes, you have a great idea, let's get it going. What's the first step, Brian, Joan, Mike, and Chuck? This should be fun, and we have an opportunity to learn and to improve our keyboards.

Interested one, John C.

Brian,
Good idea! I started compiling and saving new sound edits when I had the KN2000. A lot of them still sound pretty good on the KN7000 and with a little tweaking, (which I haven't gotten around to yet), could be useful. If we get this thing going, I can contribute.
Walt

I would like to thank you all for your replies and interest in my post and I am hoping that we get lot more members contributing. My compilation is slow as I am
being rather selective in my choice of edited
sounds that I might personaly use but when I
have a reasonable amount I would be more than happy to offer it to anyone who might be
interested.
Brian.

John
I think one small step for man and one giant
leap for the forum, would be some details of
your excellent violin edit.
brian.

Hi Walt,
Your compilation sounds interesting, and your
offer to contribute when its ready is appreciated.
We are still waiting for tips and ideas for
mixing tones.
All The Best,
Brian.

Many posts ago, actually on the old Technote forum, I started sending out styles and sequenced songs and advised people to look around these styles and songs for anything that was different, and utilize it. Over the years I've collected a lot of unusual sounds or combinations of different instruments that I've used for myself and it has encouraged me to experiment with improving what I had. Sometimes a change in pan direction can have a profound effect, or changing reverb depth, etc. I still don't know what a magic piano is, or a Voxmosphere, for that matter, but I'll hang on to the sounds and use them some day. If you go through my Country Gospel Music series, you'll find quite a few instruments that aren't included with your factory presets. Happy hunting!

Originally posted by Brian Barton:

I think one small step for man and one giant
leap for the forum, would be some details of
your excellent violin edit.

Hi Brian, I keep pushing until it sounds good. I have never been into sound editing. What I have created is normally out done by Technics a year or two later.

But----Bebop sent my sequences with my violin for the KN 7000 & 6500 keyboards.
Ava Maria was one of them. I will be sending some of my panel memories with my created sounds with Bebop's help. I must warn you, the sounds I have created are not very interesting, I just have a few good ones. There are many people on this forum that have done great jobs in this area. I would hope they would be part of this topic.

Take care, John C.

Brian Barton:

I think one small step for man and one giant
leap for the forum, would be some details of
your excellent violin edit.


Brian, Bebop has sent out my demos 123. You can go to Sound Memory and check out my sounds. You can also hear how I use some of these sounds.
John C. (bruno123)

Brian,
It sounds as if you have taken some excellent first steps in developing new sounds. Here is an idea for you to explore. Listen for sounds that have properties that you like. For example perhaps there is a guitar that has an interesting tremolo. Select it, go to Sound Edit and on to Tone and replace the guitar sounds with one or more of the electric piano sounds. Now you have an EP with the properties of the Guitar. This is just a quick way to discover a sound with new properties. it’s also easy to make some subtle changes using Easy Edit.
Frank

Thank you all for your replies,
very interesting and informative.
This really is a great forum.
Brian.