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#59995 - 12/21/03 02:14 PM
Re: Using your KN 7000 as your PC's sound card
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Junior Member
Registered: 09/10/03
Posts: 25
Loc: Bethlehem, PA 18020
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Rikki and Company,
Rikki, YES!! that's exactly what I want to do...only record the VOCAL parts while having the sequence firing in the background for timing purposes and NOT record the sequence as audio...I have a fairly inexpensive sound card that came with the my computer and I really don't want to upgrade...so i thought I could use the KN7000 as a monitor(to hear my sequence play through cakewalk) and ONLY record the audio vocal part...there lies the problem....if I use the KN7000 as a monitor while my sequence plays in cakewalk AND I use the kn7000 vocal input as my source for vocals, the audio track records EVERYTHING,,,same problem occurs when I use the original software that came with the KN7000 (my original post) The only way around it, according to tech support, is to use my cheap soundcard as the monitoring source of my sequence, while recording the vocal part as audio, using the kn7000 as the input source for my Microphone. This is the only way I know of to ONLY record the vocal parts (tracks) as audio without recording the entire sequence as audio which I do not want to do for the purpose of space..(cant wait for the 1 gig SD cards)...but by all means, if someone knows a trick around this, that would be great....I think someone in this post mentioned a non midi switching mechanism that could possibly work in the KN7000? Thanks for all your responses and help...this forum is a great source of knowledge.
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#59997 - 12/22/03 03:46 AM
Re: Using your KN 7000 as your PC's sound card
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 3319
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Hi Rikki, The 7k will work with any software able to choose audio and midi input and output options since you have panasonic usb audio and midi drivers avialable in windows. The Technics software is only a free basic kit to get people started who have no suitable software. You have two independent 16 channel midi drivers to take advantage of the 128 polyphony – see page 48 since frankly, general midi is so backward compared to what is possible from modern keyboards it is getting to the point where it is not worth bothering with except as a means of universal transfer. On occasion where I want a specific effect I multitrack audio into Sonar (or Powertracks or whatever you like) by just recording the bass into one audio track, then the drums into another, and the rest (or part) of the accompaniment into another, applying software effects, then mixing to a final track. I may not even use a 7k voice but trigger a streaming sample from the hard drive. However there are so many effects and voices available in the 7k that this level of effort is not normally required since so much can be achieved well with the built in palette. Your example is precisely what I described above. You may wish the vocal track separate for some reason. Record the backing into two audio tracks, then record the vocal in another audio track and edit mistakes and mix later, or save just the vocal track to SD and accompany it with the sequencer or by playing live as many have seen in Technics roadshows, the combinations are endless and depend entirely on what you want to do and the most efficient workflow to get there. I described one way of recording/monitoring on the 7k rather than a laptop if your laptop has poor mic inputs, which can be a problem on many basic pcs and laptops etc. Using the 7k audio usb for all the recordings can get round the problem without spending extra money. Audio can be multitracked in exactly the same way as midi on the pc except that the number of software effects and voices far surpass anything you can remotely achieve with general midi. Midi scores if you want to play a track live or get a quick notation, but there is no reason why you can’t leave a track out of the audio to play live - the book cd score in screen demos are such an example. Even transposing audio while keeping tempo constant, or altering the tempo while maintaining pitch is no longer really a problem within a reasonable range. The only thing that has held audio back is the expense of storing it, but that will recede as hard drive (and SD) prices come down and sizes go up. In a reasonable timescale it will be affordable to have no hardware voices in rom at all, and all samples will be streamed from hard drive to audio at a quantum leap in quality compared to todays keyboards, but that's another story. Happy Holidays
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#59998 - 12/22/03 06:04 AM
Re: Using your KN 7000 as your PC's sound card
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Junior Member
Registered: 09/10/03
Posts: 25
Loc: Bethlehem, PA 18020
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"you could use the monitor setting in Sound Menu to switch off the speakers/headphones. Now you can feed the backing audio from Cakewalk into the aux input and listen via the 7k speakers/headphones, and record your vocals through the 7k mic input and the usb connection"
"save just the vocal track to SD and accompany it with the sequencer or by playing live as many have seen in Technics roadshows"
Hi Alec,
My name is Mike and like Rikki, I'm new to the audio game...If i can ask for some clarification from the two points above:
1.) Do I need to run something else from my PC to the AUX inputs of the KN7000 after I switch off the speakers?
2.)this is execatly what I want to do..I would like my vocals seperate on another audio track and I would like it to play with the kn7000 sequence file (non audio)in sync. The only reason I converted my technics sequence to General Midi (temporarily) was for use in cakewalk so that I can keep my vocal parts seperate, use the sequence as timing device so the audio vocals matched the sequence, take the vocal track(s) only from cakewalk, transfer to the SD card, and play the original kn7000 sequence file,along with the audio parts in sync, while playing live with everything. I problably am doing to many steps but my biggest stumbling block has been trying to avoid recording my backing sequence as an audio file while making my vocal track(s). Thanks and Happy Holidays
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