Can anyone explain why all the endings,
Im talking end fills ,Kn2600/7000 are nothing
to do with any song I know.
Great rhythms great fills,then we hit the ending button, and sorry useless in most occasions.

Comments Please.

Barry

Sometimes I use the 'fills' as intro's or endings and if you are able to read music, why not use the sheet 'ending'. My two eldest brothers are 'ear' players and they use one or two bars from the actual song they are playing. Of course, it may not work for you but I'll bet you'll have fun finding out.

Aud (U.K.)

Mostly I agree with you Barry - that's why I often 'do my own thing' with the styles as well. There are the odd one or two which do seem to fit a particular song/tune. Why not experiment with the Composer and make your own endings... it's not really that difficult

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Willum

All are very good suggestions, I too use the fill-ins as intro's and endings.

What I noticed, is that the endings have the wrong instrument(s) playing compared to the melody sound. Like, if I played the melody using a sax, and the ending has distortion guitar. Gives an impression where did that sound come from, and what happened to the sax sound? What I like to do in these cases, is just change the sounds to the similar ones used during the song.

Also, the volume can be a little louder, which makes the ending come out stronger than the song itself. I adjust the sound volume in the composer for the ending.

Sometimes, not all the time, just a few simple tweaks can make a difference.

AnthonyCian

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Never mind the endings and fills - are any of the preset rhythms the absolutely right styles for any songs...?
I think I found one of Harrison's great numbers 'My Sweet Lord' and that's about it...
Rog
p.s. That's why I don't use the presets...

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What is your suggested alternative, Rog ?
Bernie

Hiya Bernie
Good to hear from you - practically all the songs you heard me play at the jam were not using standard presets.
Over the last ten years I have scanned the internet for style files (rhythms) which are specific to particular songs irrespective of which type of keyboard they were produced for originally - the largest proportion that I have found started out as Yamaha style files.
I then convert them using Styleworks Pro so that I can use them on my Technics KN7000 often with a bit of tweaking needed to make them sound OK - and I now have a collection of the RIGHT sounding style files for over 500 hits covering the last 50+ years.
It does mean that when I'm playing publicly people instantly recognise the song that I am playing and sing along or tap their feet.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RMepstead:
[B]Never mind the endings and fills - are any of the preset rhythms the absolutely right styles for any songs...?
I think I found one of Harrison's great numbers 'My Sweet Lord' and that's about it...
Rog
p.s. That's why I don't use the presets...

Hi Rog:
I think you are being very unkind to the talented musicians that produced the presets.

Hi Barry - to answer you original question, I seem to remember that the preset styles are not allowed to completely replicate intros etc because of copyright.

I think (IMHO) there are some excellent styles and to support my statement, here are just a few of the styles that I use and I think they take some beating:

Modern Opera - Bring him home from Les Miserables
SummerBallad - Theme from a Summer Place
Space Epic - Star Wars
70's PianoRock - Crocodile Rock
70's Soul - You are the sunshine of my life
Organ Samba - Tico Tico
Movie Ballad - When you wish upon a star

John

Hi John
You're certainly right they are talented musicians and I've met some of them when they've been touring the U.K. promoting whatever was the latest Technics model...
Maybe you are right that they can't exactly replicate original sounds/intros etc for copyright reasons which is why I use their competitors rhythms....mmmmm....
Best wishes - Rog

hi john.
THERE IS ALSO ONE OF THE INTROS WHICH I HAVE FOUND IS JUST RIGHT FOR NAT K COLES 'UNFORGETTABLE'. I'M NOT AT MY KEYBOARD AT THE MOMENT SO I CAN'T TELL WHICH IT IS OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
REGARDS
PETE B :P:P:P

Thx All,
For the comments. Composer I use a lot and I know is really
the way to do it.But in my gig singers just
call songs one after another.I find a rhythm
and away we go ,then i sweat the whole way through the song thinking "How the hell do I end this".If there was a simple end fill with a nice sustained chord -------Ah well.
Still the enjoyment I get from my Kn2600
makes up.
Cheers to all

Barry

Anyone explain why all the endings,Barry

Hi Folks, You could try this.

To make it simple I quote the Key of CMaj.

If backing a singer, or, playing for yourself. When you reach the end of a tune
and are about to hit the last chord CMaj to finish, Don't hit Cmaj, hit Ab. then play around with Fm7 and Fm6 and finish on CMaj.
I say play around with Fm7, Fm6, because playing around will teach you the better ways and alternative ways to finish the tune. It's good practice, and makes no difference If playing by ear or reading.
I know Barry reads. And John. If playing in another key simply transpose the chords to suit the key you are playing in.
Regards.
Joe.

It also helps if you have a footswitch set up to stop the rhythm, then you can concentrate on your finishing chords/'play around'...

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Willum

Hi All,

I really believe that this question has different answers depending on your use of the keyboard in the first place.

I really enjoyed listening to Rog play at the jam because his songs were recognizable.(As were many of the other players)
However, as a home player I use all preset or built-in styles, fills, beginning and endings. (Built-in include styles on disk from past keyboards).

I find I don't always want to play a song the same way every time I play it and I can usually find at least 3 different styles that will work for a given song.

As for the instruments being different than the one used in the melody, this has more to do with setup preparation. It's a matter of listening to the beginnings and ending and arranging your song so you start with and voice used in the Beginning and end with a voice used in the Ending. It seems pretty simple.

Now, One Touch Play is another animal altogether and it can be kept in the gage because I have never found this to be useful.

Just my 2 cents work or what ever converted to your currency. LOL



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Heather- Leesburg, FL PR54

Joe,
Good to hear from you again and all others included.
Sorry I might have explained myself incorrectly.
"How the hell do I end this" I didnt mean
musically, I meant trying to end without hitting the awful ending fill.
Shcox
"As for the instruments being different than the one used in the melody, this has more to do with setup preparation. It's a matter of listening to the beginnings and ending and arranging your song so you start with and voice used in the Beginning and end with a voice used in the Ending. It seems pretty simple."
Thanks for your comment but thats part of the problem.I dont want to use the sounds of the end fills at all.There usually nothing to do with the song the rhythm is trying to emulate.

Cheers Barry

One more thought ---- no two-- the styles on the Kn7 are good --intro's--endings--fills--
Second thought
but-there goes that little word again, I have heard a intro played followed by a player who is not equally talented -- it sounds like two different bands. listeners hear the difference--they become aware that you are playing some kind of recorded device.

The cure is muting some fo the Acc, parts, make the intro sound closer to your playing ability. If you make it simple, you can add some of the flavor of the song you are about to play (while the intro is being played)-- possibly the first 8 to 10 notes of the song.

My thoughts, John C.

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Bazz - whilst your singers might call out the songs in any order, is it always the same songs? (accepting there may be 30 or 40 of them)....cos....
That being the case you really should preprepare what it is you are going to back them with for each song and save those registrations to your SD Card including intros and endings - for immediate call up.
If they are standard hit songs I might well have specific rhythms including the right intros and endings to help you out...
Rog

Rog,

Cheers for that, sods law you get the odd
awkward song.
I agree theres no easy way,I have created and saved a lot of the more popular songs
on my SD card .I think the frustration arises from me having played live for 25 years and expecting the impossible.
I have just downloaded the KN2000 etc files
and because the fills are simpler they are actually more useable.
I understand the sales logic in making everything sound so big and impressive.
Thx again for the offer .

Barry

Barry,

Have you experimented using "Sound Arranger"? Give this a try.

Anthony

Are registrations saved for these songs? If so, couldn't an ending be saved in a pad?
t.

Just reflecting on Barry's preference that a short ending is more useable.

I couldn't agree more with this. If you have people gathering round you whilst playing, the last thing you want surely is an ending that goes on for ages and is awkward to join in with.

Another feature that I find for me personally of little use, is the Fade out
It gives the audience the idea that maybe something or all is recorded.

I think the stytle endings by default on the KN7000 are perhaps not the strong point of the instrument for me, however there's plenty of scope to mix endings from other styles or create your own.

Kind regards to all

Peter

The long ending on the Blugrass rhythm is so much fun! I only see smiles on my listeners faces with that one!

Lighten up folks!

I wonder if the smiles on the listeners faces when you hit the ending button are smiles of "admiration with regard the players ability to play", or, as I suspect smiles of "that was a good fun gimmick"

I don't think it's so much of "Lighten up" it's more of how an entertainer/musician want's to present his or her act.

Just my thoughts

Kind regards to all

Peter

Anthony,
Sound arranger only lets me change the sounds on preset rhythms but it dosent change what the end fills play,but I do agree it can help a lot eg changing bass&drums.

Cheers Bazz

Hi Tony

"Are registrations saved for these songs? If so, couldn't an ending be saved in a pad?"

I did try this but Pads 1-4 can only record
and play 2 parts so the endings were a bit
bare .

Barry

Too bad ... It was worth the try ...
t.