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#65449 - 11/01/03 08:29 PM
Re: Band-In-A-Box Styles
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Hi Walt, I realize your question wasn't actually directed at me ( so sorry for butting in). Depending on what you were actually planning to do, you'd treat songs ( midifiles) created in Band in a Box differently ie if you were going to create a style using BIAB you'd record it one way. If you were going to use it as a song that you saved as a midifile for playback in the kn7 sequencer, you'd record it entirely differently ie you could record a complete arrangement using BIAB styles plus record a melody, save it as a midifile, load it into your kn7 sequencer, adjust the instruments volumes etc. and you've got a sequence. You could leave out recording the melody line in BIAB and just save the arrangement as a backing track ( midifile). In this scenario you'd still load the midifile into your kn7, adjust the volumes and change instruments etc and the sequencer could play the backing and you can play along live. ( music minus one) If you wanted to create a kn7 style from a BIAB style , that's a different procedure. You wouldn't want chord changes in your style except for your intro's and endings. The rest of the style parts should really be recorded in just the key of c. I've got a few ideas floating round in my head, just need to type it up in a way hopefully makes sense to others. best wishes Rikki p.s. do you have BIAB and want to know how to create styles from it? Originally posted by Walt Meyer: Heather, I just listened to your song 'A Night of Love' that is on your web site. It is very nice. Perhaps you would like to do a tutorial on making such a song using Band in a Box, step by step. The reason that I am suggesting this, is that , if used properly, BIAB can be a terrific tool for creating new styles for keyboards and pianos that have the 'Midi/sequencer copy to Composer feature'. I hope that others would also like this so that you would be compelled to teach us some new tricks. Regards, Walt
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#65451 - 11/02/03 12:47 PM
Re: Band-In-A-Box Styles
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Hi Walt, I tend to think the problem is that BIAB songs sound quite good because in PG's demo's they use a lot of complicated chords & a lot of chord changes.
I too found that if I only used the more simple chords like majs , min, 7ths etc the type of chords you get in the EZ Play type of music ( which is all I'm capable of playing on my kn7) the songs sounded a bit dull wheras if I used a Fake or Buskers Book with the more complicated chords and more frequent chord changes, the song sounded better.
I do get variations crop up even when based just on the c chord. I just keep hitting the play button. It may have something to do with the actual styles that you tried creating from. Maybe the BIAB style you used didn't have a lot of variations within itself. If you click the style editor in BIAB you should see a grid with a number of boxes . The more boxes, the more variety within that style.
I'm doing the following with a simple orchestral waltz I'm working on.
I chose the chord c. I created bar 1 (a) to 9 bars 1to8 vari 1 bar 9 fill bar 10(b) to 18 bars 10to17vari 3 bar 18 fill bar 19(a) to 27 bars 19to26vari 2 bar 27 fill bar 28(b) to 36 bars 28to35vari 4 bar 36 fill bar 37(a) to 40 Intro 1 ( create a 4 bar bar 41(b) to 44 Intro 2 chord progression bar 45(a) to 48 Ending 1 suitable for key bar 49(b) to 52 Ending 2 of c) Change to CMinor for Minor Intro & Ending bar 53(a) to 56 Intro 1 ( create a 4 bar bar 57(b) to 60 Intro 2 chord progression bar 61(a) to 64 Ending 1 suitable for key bar 65(b) to 68 Ending 2 of cm)
for the variations ie bar 1 to 8, I didn't neccesarily use the whole 8 bars for my variation. I picked the 4 bars that sounded the best, ie it could have been 1 to 4 or 2 to 6 etc
Also I used BIAB (a) for vari 1 & 2
(b) for vari 3 & 4
Unfortunately I don't think these styles will ever sound as good as our kn7 ones do but, don't forget we can mix n' match parts of our internal kn7 styles with these BIAB styles by using Pattern Copy on Page 2 of composer
ie replace BIAB composer style part drum 1 with drum 1 from one of the internal styles. Or make a BIAB composer style sound fuller by adding additional parts like a string part from one of the internal styles.
best wishes Rikki
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Walt Meyer: [B]Hi Rikki, When I tried making styles (all key of C), they are 'dull'. It seems that BIAB only generates variations when it is asked to change key.
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#65452 - 11/02/03 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by rikkisbears: Hi Walt, I tend to think the problem is that BIAB songs sound quite good because in PG's demo's they use a lot of complicated chords & a lot of chord changes.
I too found that if I only used the more simple chords like majs , min, 7ths etc the type of chords you get in the EZ Play type of music ( which is all I'm capable of playing on my kn7) the songs sounded a bit dull wheras if I used a Fake or Buskers Book with the more complicated chords and more frequent chord changes, the song sounded better.
I do get variations crop up even when based just on the c chord. I just keep hitting the play button. It may have something to do with the actual styles that you tried creating from. Maybe the BIAB style you used didn't have a lot of variations within itself. If you click the style editor in BIAB you should see a grid with a number of boxes . The more boxes, the more variety within that style.
I'm doing the following with a simple orchestral waltz I'm working on.
I chose the chord c. I created bar 1 (a) to 9 bars 1to8 vari 1 bar 9 fill bar 10(b) to 18 bars 10to17vari 3 bar 18 fill bar 19(a) to 27 bars 19to26vari 2 bar 27 fill bar 28(b) to 36 bars 28to35vari 4 bar 36 fill bar 37(a) to 40 Intro 1 ( create a 4 bar bar 41(b) to 44 Intro 2 chord progression bar 45(a) to 48 Ending 1 suitable for key bar 49(b) to 52 Ending 2 of c) Change to CMinor for Minor Intro & Ending bar 53(a) to 56 Intro 1 ( create a 4 bar bar 57(b) to 60 Intro 2 chord progression bar 61(a) to 64 Ending 1 suitable for key bar 65(b) to 68 Ending 2 of cm)
for the variations ie bar 1 to 8, I didn't neccesarily use the whole 8 bars for my variation. I picked the 4 bars that sounded the best, ie it could have been 1 to 4 or 2 to 6 etc
Also I used BIAB (a) for vari 1 & 2
(b) for vari 3 & 4
Unfortunately I don't think these styles will ever sound as good as our kn7 ones do but, don't forget we can mix n' match parts of our internal kn7 styles with these BIAB styles by using Pattern Copy on Page 2 of composer
ie replace BIAB composer style part drum 1 with drum 1 from one of the internal styles. Or make a BIAB composer style sound fuller by adding additional parts like a string part from one of the internal styles.
best wishes Rikki
p.s. What version do you have ( I have vers12) Have you ever tried using the Melodyist part of BIAB. I tried it for the first time yesterday and came up with quite a useable song ie the program created the chord progression, picked the style & even wrote a melody for it and gave it a Title. I did a bit of minor re editing. Saved it as a midifile, loaded it into the kn7 , adjusted the instrumentation and I've got a composition ( of sorts (haahaa). BIZZARE
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Walt Meyer: [B]Hi Rikki, When I tried making styles (all key of C), they are 'dull'. It seems that BIAB only generates variations when it is asked to change key.
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#65457 - 11/03/03 01:20 PM
Re: Band-In-A-Box Styles
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Hi Walt, BIAB is an interesting program, but I don't really use it much either, except for fiddling round with style creation for the kn7. I really don't have the spare time either to check BIAB thoroughly. As for the waltz, it's only a really simple one. ( I was mainly trying to give you ideas to try) The waltz only consists of bass, piano arpeggio, strings & french horns ( no drums) so probably not terribly exciting to most. I decided to try & create it for the song "Always" (Irving Berlin). I'm a Richard Clayderman fan ( nutter in fact , I've got most of his albums ( dozens) , much to hubby's dismay) Anyway, I'm really fond of piano arpeggio's. I wasn't too good at playing left hand arpeggio's on my piano, so now I cheat and create the odd arpeggio style. Gives me a false sense of actually being able to play ( haahaa). If you'd still like a copy when I finish, let me know. I personally like simple styles, but bear in mind, there's probably a lot more that could be done with it by incorporating phrases ( like drums) or substituting strings from the kn7. best wishes Rikki Originally posted by Walt Meyer: Hi Rikki,
Maybe you would like to send me a copy of the Orchestral Waltz style when you get it done and I'll give you an opinion. Cheers, Walt
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