Hello All,

On my website I have made mp3players with with my KN7000, Tyros2 and Tyros3 music on one page. Maybe nice benchmark page: one and the same player on three different keyboards.
http://vision-4-life.nl/php_UK/viewpage.php?page_id=17

Kind Regards, God Bless, Fred

And like I write on my website on the music time: it is about playing for fun and charity.

Also my www.vision-4-life.nl/fotografie photographs webshop is for charity funding.
You can read more about that charity project on http://www.vision-4-life.nl/php_UK/viewpage.php?page_id=25

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[This message has been edited by fmlk (edited 06-29-2009).]

Fred,
I must compliment you on you site. It is one of the best I have seen/listened to. And to able to listen to a Tyros 3, Tyros 2, and a Kn7000 with a great selection I find nowhere. Thanks Fred.

Few of us had the opportunity to have different top line keyboards in our home, our comparison is rooted in what we remember and time does distort. Fred’s site give those who are interested in the topic a great view.

My thoughts – But first, bass – bass -- bass ---bass, and bass.

1-Instruments sounds are fantastic on the Tyros 3. Being created years latter give the Tyros 3 a big edge.

2- If you want to play today’s music and be authentic, there is no choice, the instrument was created for today.

3- I f you wish to play music the seniors love, (And that is changing rapidly) the Kn7000 is not challenged. Yes you can play Glenn Miller on the Tyros 3 and play disco and 50’s on the Kn7000 but that is not questioned here. Which keyboard sounds the best for a type of music – there is the question.

Bass, hmmmmmm, Bass. Leaving the instrument sounds aside for this comparison picture eliminating the bass on both instruments, what is left. The bass is a large part of today’s music, even in my church.

We have traveled from a strong subtle bass to an out-in-front-extremely strong bass. On the Yamaha keyboard, fills and breaks are dominated by Bass and drums as opposed to a sax section or a trumpet section. Both keyboards do a real good job, but each job is different. The Kn7000 is generally even through out -- Tyros 3 is dominated by bass followed by a slightly drums.

When I owned the tyros 2 I put a lot of time adjusting the bass only to find I got closer with moderate success. When I played out with my Kn7000 I did everything I could, including creating a much stronger bass and drum sets to meet the demand. I even added a Sub (bass speaker) and again I got moderate success.

Find what you love and choose your keyboard to match, they are both excellent keyboards.

IMHO, John C.

I agree that both keyboards are excellent in their own right, but what I really hate about the Tyros 3 is it so time consuming. When I'm going to do a 'gig' I set up a programme and with the KN7 what you see is what you get with the added bonus of being able to 'tweak' both sounds and rhythms slightly or in depth if you wish, just by using the onboard buttons - the choice is yours.

With the T3 first you have to decide on which part you're going to use i.e: Music Finder, Song, Styles, Registrations or if using a stick, using the tabs etc. then you have to decide whether you want the OTS on, whether certain sections are to be frozen, whether you need to use the Mixing Console if the sound/rhythm isn't to your liking - it goes on and on. By this time, half the evening has gone and it's time to retire. I have 27 ringbinder books with 20 of my own medleys which took me approx. 2/3 weeks to put together using the KN7 and I want to get them setup on the T3. I have had this keyboard 4 months now and tonight I managed two sets of medleys from Book No.3 - that's how time consuming it is. There's hardly time to play the darn thing.

So! once again for my next 'gig', it'll be my trusted KN7 that I'll be taking out with me.

Just for the record, the T3 does have excellent piano sounds and lovely Country rhythms but nowhere near the amount that is offered on the KN7. If you want more you have the option to 'buy' them. Just think of all those lovely sounds and rhythms that came with the KN7..... all on board and included in the price.

By the way, my comments have nothing to do with me being a 'senior' as my favourite type of music is boogie and rock-n-roll which I still play and dance to - albeit at a slower pace ha! ha!

Audrey

Audrey,
Since I have gone from a KN7 sold, to a Tyros 2 sold, to a Kn7 sold now to a S900 Yamaha let me share. The transition is a matter of forgetting what you know about the Kn7 and approach with an open mind. The more a keyboard offers the more the time involvement.

My S900 is set up for a job well beyond the Kn7, but I had to change all my thinking. It all seem enormous a big terribly long job. In almost every area the younger keyboard is better, Just as the newer computers are normally better. There are exceptions. The same job takes much longer on the Tyros but the completed job is much better.

My question to you is: If you play Boogie and Rock-n-Roll do you not see the difference? If Boogie and Rock-n-roll is a small part of your performance then I do understand.

Prefer the Kn7 over the Tyros 3 because of the complete sound for the music I love, 20’s, 30’s, 40’s and a touch of the 50’s – and of course the Sequencer. I love technology, and I do sing that makes the Tyros a desire, maybe in the future not now.

One of the main reasons for not owning both keyboards, besides the dollars, is that my hand travels to parts of the keyboard without thought. With the second keyboard I end up staring and wondering – Where did it go?

John C.

Hello John,

I do understand what you are saying and like you, the songs I play are usually Glen Miller and the like and again like you, I find technology fascinating and appreciate fully that systems will always be updated and usually with much improvement and more User Friendliness (compare the old DOS system with today's Microsoft system, isn't it much easier to use?) so why isn't the Tyros 3 easier to use. With the exception of the new sound system which IS better than the older models, I can see very little difference. Even the Super Articulation isn't all that we were led to believe unless of course, you 'tweak' it, but my point is we should not have to spend so much time on changing things around, even the short time I've used the T3 I can see places where a simple designated button would have been much better to use.

Having made all these comments, like the great helpful people on this site, the Yamaha Forum's members are doing their best to help me deal with my problems for which I am very grateful. So in fairness to everyone who is trying to help me, I will carry on to the end of the six month period I have given myself to 'master' it, then I will make a decision as to whether I'm going to keep the T3 or not. Time will tell!

Audrey

Audrey it would be interesting to see what your medlies are. Derek

When you talk about discovering all the possibilities of a Tyros 3, yes it is time-consuming. Nevertheless it took in total less work to create my collebction of Tyros 3 arrangements then my KN7 songs. I was with the KN7 often lucky that stepmode recording was easier than on a Tyros, because I needed it much more often. All my tyros songs are played and recorded real-time.

And what was written: "With the T3 first you have to decide on which part you're going to use i.e: Music Finder, Song, Styles, Registrations or if using a stick, using the tabs etc. then you have to decide whether you want the OTS on, whether certain sections are to be frozen, whether you need to use the Mixing Console if the sound/rhythm isn't to your liking - it goes on and on. " is not honest, because on a KN7 it is the same Music Finder is then called Music Stylist and Registrations is user panel. With a Tyros you are not limited to 10 banks of 8 buttons each, but for each song you can create its own "panel memory bank". Shakespeare already wrote "What's in a name"

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Fred-
When you talk about discovering all the possibilities of a Tyros 3, yes it is time-consuming. Nevertheless it took in total less work to create my collebction of Tyros 3 arrangements then my KN7 songs. I was with the KN7 often lucky that stepmode recording was easier than on a Tyros, because I needed it much more often. All my tyros songs are played and recorded real-time.

John C.-
I do not understand, I sit at a keyboard, ty3 or Kn7, select my style, choose my instrumentation and tempo press start and record. Where does it differ? I neither use a Music Finder (Yamaha) and never the Music stylist. (Kn7)

When you are recording live and you are talented and free of error the recordings turn out equally great on either keyboard. But if you decide to fine tune a sequence there is a difference, a large one, the Kn7 is friendly.

Please excuse me, but I must differ: The settings on Tyros are by far in greater depth then the Kn7. There is far more technology which translates into you must do more to do to get an acceptable result. This makes the Tyros better in one are and the Kn7 better in another --- But the Tyros does requires far more attention.

To understand and be honest we must go back to Audrey who has the mind of the Kn7000 and the transition is far more difficult than someone who has been playing a RSR3000 Yamaha. At times I felt overcome -- or to use my good friends statement, “I could throw it off the bridge into the approaching traffic”. Audrey no easy job. I love a challenge so I found it a bit different.

John C.



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To all you lovely people.

I really appreciate all your comments, particularly your last sentence John C "I love a challenge" and there you have it, I too love a challenge hence the reason I didn't send the T3 straight back to the Dealer. I will NOT let myself be beaten by what is after all, just a piece of man made machinery. (My husband says that's because I am woman, he reckons nothing, and no one, can beat 'em - I wonder what he means ha! ha!)

You'll no doubt be pleased to hear I have had a good session this evening, thanks to some valuable information received from this and the Yamaha site and I have actually added three more medleys to my Country Book 1, so some progress is being made albeit slow.

Now with regards to "forget the KN7" I do not understand why people keep telling me this as the very first time the T3 was demonstrated to me, I could see the likeness and hear certain sounds and rhythms that are on the KN7. Since owning one, there are certain areas that are so similar to the KN7 one of which is the T3 Music Finder. O.K. so the Music Stylist on the KN7 doesn't list song titles, but it is pretty obvious what the styles are suggesting, again, they are so easy to use in comparison. A majority of the Music Finder, I don't like anyway and prefer to 'tweak' them to suit my taste - yet another time consuming activity.

Ah well! I'll get there eventually no doubt, meanwhile thank for letting me take my frustration out on you all, it is much appreciated.

Audrey

[This message has been edited by Audrey Turner (edited 06-30-2009).]