Sorry Cgiles , your post went right over my head. I own a PA1X already. Amnot going to sell it. Just want a second toy.

Well, I guess if you gotta explain it, it probably wasn't that funny.

chas

Good one!....

Can't find any room in my 3k for them...if I could, I wouldn't even need a stand.


Ian



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Common misconception...size and weight equal quality and performance. Don't be fooled.

Look, comment away all you like, but please don't pretend that what you are saying is relevant. We WERE talking about 76 note keyboards....

Listen, Ian, YOU are the one with the signature (added after some exchanges about weight in the past) that constantly (every single post!) bring up your OPINION (not facts) about weight and performance. I don't feel the need to constantly bait others with my opinion. Or should I get a signature that brings it up constantly too...? No, you would probably deride me for doing that (or say that it is tedious). Once again, apparently YOU are the only one that can do what you berate other people for doing.

Remember, you too are constantly chiming in on any post whatsoever that brings up the weight issue. So does that make you tedious and repetitive also, or is it just OTHER people that are that?

And, just for once, do you have any comment other than 'My PSR3k weighs 25 lb.' about 76 note keyboards? Or are you just a stuck note?

The only ones hammering the weight issue are the people that complain about how heavy current arrangers (especially some 76 note ones) are. As I said, every single manufacturer makes them heavier than SOME people want. Why shoot the messenger? The REALLY sad part is I keep trying to tell you I agree with you, and no-one wants to read THAT part! When they bring out a 76 that feels the same and has the same functionality as the G70, I will HAPPILY buy it. Until then complaining at my fellow SZ members that DO use a heavier arranger seems like a little misplaced anger. Write to Roland, write to Korg, write to everybody.
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Ian, I am sorry that you find my posts tedious and repetitive. I won't (unless provoked) publicly say what I think of yours, but as neither of us are moderators here, I guess I will continue to do exactly what you do too.... I'll post whatever I like, whenever I like, and if you don't want to read it, well, there's always the 'back' button.

[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 05-18-2007).]

Yeah, I kinda like it...thanks for noticing.

Ian

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Common misconception...size and weight equal quality and performance. Don't be fooled.

I received the E 80 yesterday after noon at the music store. It is in a huge bulky box and weighed 62 pounds. I am 75 years old but I carried it into my house and into the studio and up on the rack. So it is heavy, so what. It has the heavy sound and plays like a heavy board.
The sound system is the finest I have heard in nearly forever. No problems for me and it is unbeliveably loud. I can work my clubhouse without amps with this board.
I have to tell you that I purchased the personal Demo Keyboard from the Roland District Sales Manager that spent three hours demoing the board in the music store for me and Jann.
I think it is for this reason that the board is superfine right out of the box.It is already peaked and tweeked. I went through a lot of styles last night and I was totally blown away by most of those I Played.
I only have one complaint on this board at this time, and I have reported it already. I can't find a way to keep the split at my favorite of F sharpe 3 as it continues to revert back to the default of C4 every time you change a variation or style. Maybe I just haven't yet found the way to save my change. Anybody know about this.
I have owned most all of the major keyboards since 1970 starting with the Hohner Clavinet and the first Lowry portable keyboards. I feel this is the finest of the lot and makes my T2 seem more like a toy.
I will write more after I have spent more time with this NICE AND HEAVY keyboard. I love it.Check it out dudes
Best to all,
Bebop

Wow, Bebop...you sound like a kid on Christmas morning!

Congratulations....and may you reap maximum enjoyment from your new instrument.

Ian

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Common misconception...size and weight equal quality and performance. Don't be fooled.

Congrats, BEBOP.

I think you have already found the Roland-arranger.com site, where there is a program there called Session Manager that can apply that global split point to all your UPGs and OTSs. Plus many, many other useful functions that Roland neglected to add to the OS... This software truly adds capabilities to the E- and G- series that the keyboard is incapable by itself (User Custom Tones, for instance!).

It would be VERY useful to many that are trying out the E80, and scratching their heads over the speakers' sound (some like it, some HATE it) if you could post the details about the Mastering Effects and Speaker Simulator presets that the Roland rep put into it. That way, they could input those numbers into a store E80 anywhere, and see if it improves the sound in their opinion, too.

If you like, there's a way (I think it is described in the manual) to capture a screenshot of the E80's screen. Just call up the relevant pages, take the screenshots, and post them at Roland-Arranger.com. Don't forget, if there are two pages or more of either of these functions, take a snapshot of BOTH pages, please.

Then pop back here with a link to those screenshots, and maybe we can find out why opinions vary so widely.

I think one of the things that some testers (and even Roland reps, by the look of it!) may get confused by is that, unlike the G70, there are TWO final Mastering Effects sections. One for the Keyboard Parts, one for the Song and Style Parts. So if you are adjusting the wrong one for what you are listening to, you are not going to hear any difference!

And then add the Speaker Sim 'EQ' (or whatever it does!) and it is easy to see how things could get confusing...

Sometimes, I get the impression that TOO much EQ and compression control is a bad thing. There are just WAY too many ways to screw up what might actually be a great basic sound. I just wish Roland had the ears (and the balls!) to find what actually DOES sound the best, and set it in stone! After all, if you REALLY disagree with them, there's still your mixer to correct the EQ to your taste.

Few ever complained about the final 'sound' of the G1000, and that had NO master EQ or any compression at all. They just made sure it sounded it's best before they set the styles and Tones in stone. And you still had (and still do on the E and G-series) per-Part EQ to spot correct tones WITHIN a mix. I wish Roland (and most of the others, too) had the ears and the confidence to still do that.

TOO much EQ choices and Compression decisions (and a 3 band compressor is a mighty dangerous thing in the hands of someone that doesn't know how to use one well) is just a cop-out by a company that doesn't have the resolve to say 'THIS is the best sound this arranger makes...'

With all due respect, I will "EQ" and compress to an accoustic space. To have a "one sound fits all" approach assumes that the keyboard will always stay in the same acoustic space (ie. a studio, home, or permanent club gig) and that that space was determined at the factory.

Obviously, one can fine-tune the overall sound with the external mixer but that's hardly the solution to problem individual sounds.

You're correct that TOO much control in the wrong hands can be dangerous, but for a professional, that should not be a problem. I say, the more control, the better. You can always choose not to use it.

chas

I completely agree, chas. In 'professional' hands, all those options are a wonderful thing. The trouble starts when they fall into the 'wrong' hands.

For one thing, I completely agree that these Mastering tools should be used mainly for space and crowd condition corrections. But all too often, in lesser hands, they are simply used to often drastically change the overall sound of an arranger, and then never adjusted. Even OOTB they come with all options turned on, and a pretty drastic set of comp and EQ applied. Squeeze anything to death, and put a big 'smiley' on the EQ, and you can quickly ruin the basic sound of even the best arrangers.

And most professionals already have EQ's and compressors fro their PA's and studios. But putting these sonic hand grenades in the hands of newbies and home players is a recipe for confusion and dissatisfaction. I think I'm reading a fair bit of evidence for this, don't you agree?