Ziggy, tell your friend to return it and get a refund. It sounds from this thread that it was a very recent purchase. Almost every dealer will give you a 30 day money back guarantee (in the USA at least). If your friend purchased it on the internet the same guarantee should apply too. Don't have your friend stuck with something he doesn't like. Tell him to send it back!!! and get a full refund "less a small restocking fee". Maybe he won't even have to pay that.

Best regards,
Mike

Yep, wrapped it in pages from my local newspaper (San Francisco Chronicle) . . . as I thought you might get a kick reading it. - Scott

Mike, he did go back with it and my friend offered to take a pair of EV speakers instead, but he told him that since he (the dealer) purchased it for him wouldn't take it back, to me it sure sound unfair since it was purchased last week, but unfortunatly over here (MALTA) things are a bit different at times even the price compared to what it is in the states $1200 is a lot.

Sounds like it was a special order, and many dealers won't take a return on an item that they don't stock. I'm with the retailer on this one. Try eBay ...... there are people all over the world that want stuff that they can't find.

Well I am glad to say that this matter had a happy ENDING, at last this morning the dealer excepted the trad in the TC for a pair of EV Speakers even though my friend had to double the money , but at least now he has something that he is happy with.

That's right Dave he didn't stok it, and he also had to purchase a special display for the TC, well I hope there'll be people who like it and at least now they are in stok over here, because nobody had them before.

ziggy, now that all the fighting is over I will add my .02 worth.

While I do not know about the Prism, I bought the Voiceworks from TC. The street price is $6/$700. According to TC, it has the latest voice modeling technology they offer.

As with all other debates here about sound, I listened to all the different harmonizers including onboard and to ME, there was not even a close comparison between them. Again to ME the Voiceworks was the only one that came close to sounding like real voices.

As far as ease of use for live, the VW is as about as straight forward and push the button and go as it comes.

The best way I found was to let the midi chords drive it.

I have not had to do any of Dave's tweaking to get the results that please me.
Terry

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You know what the number one "tweak" was? Taking the vibrato OFF ! That was the phony sound to me. My natural vibrato will come through the mix, there is no need for the fake stuff. That was the biggest thing I changed, the rest was just levels, and gender mostly.

Hi Terry, at no time I was fighting with no one, if you got that impression, sorry I didn't want to sound that way, I was expressing what I heard here, FIGHTING is not my name nor my sername.

Dave I did just that from the start thatis is I took the vibrito OFF as well, but I stil say that the difference Between the TC and the Digitech Work station was so little that it would go unnoticed in live performance. I just bought Digitech from Scotteyy, and I and pleased with the result, it do sound robotic but with careful blancing it sounds very good.

Terry I'm glad you are satisfied with what you bought, that's the thing!!! when you buy something and you are satisfied, My friend wasn't satisfied at all nor was I.


Tony.

I'm with UD on this one. I have the voice prism plus and have tried the digtech as well as yamaha and Ketron keyboards with them built in.

Well there is definately a difference in quality. I think that is because you have 24bit sampling as against 16bit sampling.
The results are, of course, very subjective.

But that's not the only difference. As UD stated, there are many more parameters to adjust and quite frankly when I first got the box I was overwhelmed by it all. It would have been much easier to get the Digitech EX with the sliders but I had paid my money and decided to get familiar with it. I had bought it as a second user deal for about $700 and was pretty sure I could get my money back anyway.

Am I glad I didn't. It takes practice to get anything more than simple (third above) harmony to sound realistic but when you have mastered it the results can be very realistic (IMHO)

I was probably guilty of looking for the "magic box" initially that is mentioned above but now that I have taken the trouble to find which of the 3 major or minor scaler modes are suitable for the song in question (or even building a specific custom scale) I am satisfied with the result.

The more robotic sounds are the ones that just take the control data from the chords played over midi. Whilst this is suitable for a few songs the scalar route is far more authentic when the right parameters are set up. There are patches that are supposed to sound robotic and weird such as the alien, drunken sheep and telephonic ones but these are just places to store your own settings as far as I am concerned.

If that means "twiddling" to some people then that is the price you pay as it is a voice crystal and not a crystal ball.

In addition to the harmony features, I also use the reverb/delay/compression/gate facilities and, as I have the plus this gives me more realist gender changes for both harmony and doubled voices.

I am thankfull to this forum for bringing the TC box to my attention in the first place otherwise I would have had got what I consider to be an inferior unit and, believe me, I need all the help I can get on my vocals.

Regards - Keith