Isn't there anyplace in the world I can post an opinion?

Guess not eh?

No opinions allowed. Anywhere. And my original post was not an opinion, it is fact, a style is pre-recorded music in a loop based playback system.

I can partially understand why what I said upset Simon, after all he makes his living selling styles, however do you really think what I say is going to change the FACTS?

The FACTS are that people who love styles love them with a fervor that couldn't be toppled by the Navy SEALS, US ARMY, Air Force and Marines put together.

Much less by little old me!

Which is fine by me, but damn I need a place to blow off some steam!

I was strangle-holded over at PSR songs for months and it still wasn't good enough for them that I grovveled, used styles, played music that THEY liked (and not what I wanted to play)

I tried to play the game their way and LOST ANYWAY

You bet I'm angry -- angry as hell!

Never in my life have I changed my own self SO MUCH TO PLEASE ANYONE and it still wasn't good enough for them! Do you realize what a sacrifice I made by playing their kind of music, using styles (albiet editid ones) even going so far as to MAKE ONE?

From now on "to thine own self be true" and I will -- If I do things my way and lose, fine then

That's all.

what gear do you own ?

I thought you started your own site. Surely you can let off steam there. Nobody here has censored or deleted anything you have said, even though every word has been negative comments about using styles.
We do use styles here. We also make our own sequences. There is nothing to be gained by attacking us because we use styles. All you are doing is antagonizing everyone.
This is a forum about helping each other.
How can we help you?
DonM

PSR740 ?

keys,
When you think about it really, all music is repetitive. AABA or ABBA or whatever. It is the same thing over and over verse chorus verse chorus. That really is the structure of music. If one composed without stucture and just ambled abstractly, I doubt that would sound very good musically.

Further all music is essentially loops as well. The guitarist or keyboard plays the same chords through the verse the same way, then get's to the chorus etc. The drummer essentially "loops" his drum pattern, playing the same beat over and over with a fill here and there and a big close. But this is all about the arrangement of a tune and what is the glue that holds the tune together. Without it, it would sound chaotic and like poop. Think of any song you have ever heard....that's what it does, repeats the stucture the melody the patterns over and over. They may do something tricky like transpose in the middle now and again, but then that repeats as well.

Now what makes any of it interesting are the melody line and the solos here and there.

If you choose to create music differently then what has been done, more power to you and go for it.

I view styles perhaps differently than you do. To me they are a back up band. No different than if one were to be a part of a band. In this case however I have through my purchase of the equipment also bought some of the best players in the world to come and "sit in" with me. It is up to me, what I want to get them to play and how to play it, tempo stucture, instruments. All the years I played with bands and composed, never once did I go to a practice and say, "here's a new tune guys, but you can't play on it, I'm going to play all the parts myself."

I don't see styles much if at all any different from that, except my keyboard doesn't lay around at a practice get too drunk to play and then want to quit early.

So you see, it's a matter of perspective and how one uses the tools that technology has brought to us. The board and styles are only tools and the musicianship comes not from the board, but who it is and what they are playing sitting behind it.

You'd probably be sadly disappointed by some of the most popular artists that are out there now and all the tricks they use in the studio, to include loops and samples and whatever else is available.

You're invited to the party here, but you also have to realize to arrive and insult everyone at the party, is not going to make you the most popular person there. The other danger that comes with posting an opinion on open forum, is that others with opposing points of view are going to call you on your opinion. If you cannot handle that heat....don't come into the kitchen and stir up the pot.

Some of the best musicians I have ever heard reside on this forum. Whether they use styles or samples or loops, to me is of little consequence. They are making music and good music is good music period. Again, it's less about the tools and more about what creatively one does with them.
jam on,
Terry

[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 10-26-2002).]

HUBERT LAWS claimed that he never creates music. He simply re-arranges what has already been played.
ZUK

Cathy,

Hello again. You are welcome to this forum with all your opinions. But also you have to tolerate our own opinions as well. Please do not modify yourself to please any person. Are you seeking acceptance or are you seeking musical expression and fulfillment?

Please feel free to use or ignore styles. Please feel free to perform or abstain from styles. Please feel free to criticise or praise styles. But the same time, you will find other people with also strong opinions about styles. I do not agree with all the opinions that you presented as facts. Now remember that the most expensive instruments are arrangers. For example, Tyros is more expensive than Motif and Genesys is more expensive than any synth.

To nitpick, the Genesys is not more costly than a Kurzweil K2600X-AES, which lists for just under $20K. However, I am sure there are Wersi arrangers that are much more expensive than that.


[This message has been edited by Clif Anderson (edited 10-27-2002).]

Keys,
To me my music is an art and I'm sure you feel the same about yours. I may use a #10 brush and canvas while you may prefer #12 brush and oak tag. What ever in the end it's the enjoyment one feels and shares. If you don't like my paintings that's ok but someone else may want to purchase them. Your not obligated to buy it but don't say that it sucks especially if you can't sell yours. Somewhere I read that Darrel Hall wrote there first few hits on an i30. Now that’s a set of interesting brushes.... Lou

Lou,
I'm just thankful I paid attention in math class....really comes in handy for those little numbers on my canvasses.
Terry