Music stores will ALWAYS have morons working in them (except George Kaye!)...... If the future of the MS rests in their hands, which for long term economic growth is essential, Domenik is going to have to do what all the other arranger manufacturers have...... make the keyboard sound great the minute you switch it on.

NOT after you have spent weeks, months or more setting it up yourself. Perhaps Domenik's business model is for him to have a small, loyal, extremely technically gifted user base, but I'm sure he would prefer to sell the MS in Yamaha-like numbers. For this, he is going to have to do what everyone else does. Turn it on, and blow the competition away.

A T2, while not as complex or capable as an MS, is still a VERY complex arranger, to the point that VERY few of it's users probably know it inside and out. But you don't need to know all that for it to sound wonderful out of the box.

Apparently, with the MS, you do.......

With the MS as impossible to find in the USA as it is, only Dom's and user demos are all we can go on. Dom's demos are poor (there really is not much argument there) and no user has ever posted a demo that seriously competes with T2 etc..

I own a G70, and yet, from Yamaha and it's users demos and posts, I can come up with a pretty good idea of how good (or not!) it is. Why is the MS the only arranger that cannot be judged (at least as far as any other arranger) by listening to demos, and user demos and reviews.....?

I imagine all the other arranger manufacturers going 'Great! Now we don't need to spend any money on a good set of demos..... Apparently, no-one can form an opinion about our quality until they have played one! And, we don't even have to widely stock it so people can form their own opinions. It seems that arranger users are going to buy them, just to find out for themselves....!!!!'

Yeah, sure............

I'm tired of all this. PUT UP, OR SHUT UP.....

Dear,

Would you be so kind DIKI, and post some your demo of your G70.


Thanks.

PLENTY of user demos of the G70 up on Youtube, and Roland have plenty on their sites, and the Danish G70 site has plenty more. This isn't about how WELL I play. It's about how GOOD the keyboard sounds.

The day I hear a style demo from the MS that is amazing, you will hear me state it loud and clear. I have no emotional baggage for the arranger I own, I have heard wonderful demos of T2s, PA800s, and many more. I am prepared to admit it..... I don't go in for the ' MY arranger is the only good one' school of thought. ANYTHING that sounds great, I will be the first to chime in and say so.....

BUT....... so far, I haven't heard ONE demo of the MS that supports it's claim of superiority. Only technical superiority. I admit (and have never said otherwise) that it has some amazing capabilities, but as of yet, none of the technical superiority has trickled down to actual musical superiority.

It's kind of like owning a 400 horse-power car with a badly slipping clutch. It OUGHT to be able to go 200 mph, but can barely break 100...... Nothing wrong with the engine, but the transmission needs work.

How about YOU posting some MS only style demos, Alfa? I promise I will make NO comment about your playing, I only want to hear the styles performed (to get an idea at how well the fills transition, and how well it responds to slightly off-time chord input). There are so few available, any addition would be useful.

Do not misunderstand me, Alfa. I WANT the MS to be everything it claims to be. I would buy one in a flash. I have the money, AND the technical skills to operate it (I've been using VSTi's since the day they came out). But first and foremost, it is supposed to be an arranger/workstation. Thus, the arranger side of it has to at least better what I already have, and sadly, from listening to the demos, it isn't there, yet.

I don't hate it for being unfinished, but I also don't like to let the manufacturer come here to brag about it's superiority (you never see Yamaha or Roland come here to flame THEIR competition!) unchallenged.

As far as I can tell from everything I have yet heard, 'the emperor has no clothes!'.

SOMEBODY has to say it........