gentlemen my comment about squeezing more juice from this argument re size/weight and quality was just British humor/sarcasm !!

Please drop it and the personal comments too. We are grown ups right?

slightly off topic. I went to sound control in Birmingham today and saw the yamaha XS7. Nice nice board Way too many sounds to audition in one afternoon ! anyway i wanted to tell you about the E80. I spent the best part of about an hour with the instrument specifically trying to get a better sound from the onboard speakers as this one , like the previous two i have played at differnt shops sounded just as poor as the others . I did my best but to no avail. Sound Control have a new policy now whereby Roland reps actually come and work within the store advising staf and customers concerning the function of their products , employed by and paid for by Roland direct.

The Roland product specialist saw me playing the instrument and i guess shaking my head so he came over. He asked my what was up and i told him. He started to edit he EQ on the keyboard and after 10 minutes ...started to shake his head too ! The only effect the adjustments he made were having an affect on the superior piano sound i was using NOT THE ACCOMPANIMENT ! He specifically went into a function to alter the bass and he turned the dial and the numbers on the screen incremented but the sound did not change. Neither for the drums . He said that he would have to call me back in when he had figured out what was wrong but he did say that neither myself nor himself had been doing anything wrong . Both of us agreed that this could be another OS glitch and would have to be looked into. As this was the 3rd E80 that i have played i am starting to suspect that it is in fact an OS glitch just as i felt the same way when the G70 came out but everyone hat bought one was telling us that it was perfect. There seems to be a definate problem with the E80 speaker system and its not just my ears.

Bebop if you are reading this and you have your E80 now please test this and tell us what you have found in terms of the speaker quality. I have never owned a roland instrument but was seriously tempted by the E80. For me built in speakers is essential which is why i have the PA1X. Compared to the PA1X the speakers in the Roland sound like one of those tinny personal steros. I have high hopes for the E80 but Roland have to sort this problem out. Is there a general problem with quality control at Roland as i am struggling to believe that they released the G70 (original OS ) and now the E80 (poor internal speakers ) after any thorough quality control.