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#150176 - 02/17/03 01:52 AM Dabbling in Recording
beachbum Offline
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Hi Terry.
Got the Delta Card. I'm hard pressed to find a major diffrence between the onboard chip and the Delta. However, check out the new song "WHY" I did that with the Delta Card. 4 more songs and I will have my first cd. I think I'll be 65 till I catch up with you. http://www.gamegadget.com/mp3.html
I think the songs are getting better not the sound card. Let me know what you think?
Anyone else feel free to give feed back.

Thanks,




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#150177 - 02/17/03 04:02 AM Re: Dabbling in Recording
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Bb,
First, I hear quite a difference in sound quality. the instruments sound more even toned and that they are all playing in the same room, to me in the mix. The vocals still sound a bit as though they are in a different presence though. Here's why I think....you're using more reverb effect on the vocals and too much less or none on the band.

So, add perhaps half as much effects to the band as you do the vocals and I think it will pull it all together. Here's what I do to try to get all instruments/vocals etc to have the right dynamics one to the other in the mix. My first pass through for the final mix, I listen at a very low volume, through speakers NOT through headphones. If one thing is too loud to the other, it will stick out like a sore thumb. Here's something else you can do to make it all sound more real.....almost nothing should be directly centered in the mix. The best way to explain this is: if you listen through headphones and the sound seems like it is directly in the center of you head, pan it a bit one side or the other. As a general rule here's how I pan....drums and percussion on 2 tracks are panned hard left and hard right. That will fill all the back space as drums would do if you were watching a band live. Then picture where the other players would be in the band if you were watching them live....perhaps the guitar player would be a little off to the left, so pan the guitar a little left, bass right, vocals one way or the other or split one track a little left, the other a little right. If you go back and overdub a vocal harmony, pan it to the right or left.

This is another tune that I very much like your style, lyrics and theme. I particularly like the line "why do sinners get saved."

I like the accmp. tracks you're starting to use and it is starting to round out your work. The more you keep heading in this direction the better it's going to get.

What's really happenin' for you right now on the journey is the great leaps in improvement from one tune to the next.

Very nice indeed.

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#150178 - 02/17/03 09:39 AM Re: Dabbling in Recording
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Bb,
By the way....I noticed your recordings are 3 minutes or something close, but the d/l file shows about 5 minutes why all the silence on the end?


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#150179 - 02/17/03 02:35 PM Re: Dabbling in Recording
beachbum Offline
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Terry, Thanks for the listen.
Great comments. This is how I'm recording. I sequence through the keyboard and run that to the mixer. Hook the mic to the mixer. Then run to RCA’s to the computer. And then record everything at once using goldwave. I do not have sound forge yet as I have run out of dough. So the only software I'm using is your basic recording stuff. However, their is a switch on the back of my condenser mic, when I have it set to super sensitive (you can here about two blocks away in this mode) you usually write that I have to much rev and when I switch the mic to not so sensitive you write I need more reverb. I really appreciate your helping me out. As I'm new to recording and would like to be done with the tweaking and just play.
Oh, I recorded with the super sensitive mic setting. And then the not so sensitive settings. I put them up on the web page. Let me know if this makes any difference to you.
Alas the line you like is "why do us sinners get saved."

Thanks again my friend. Oh and really enjoyed your last CD. Listen to it at work. Reminds me of the beach...

Oh and as to your question why is it playing for 5 minutes. That's the time setting I have set up in the program. I sometimes forget to trim them down to thier actual size.


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#150180 - 02/17/03 04:37 PM Re: Dabbling in Recording
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Bb,
Of the 2, I think Why 1 sounds more like it's all in the same room. i.e. the mix is better. You sound like you are singing with the band.

In example #2 the vocals sound more distant and as though you are not singing in front of the band.

As for your other point about too much or too little sounding on the vocal reverb....the thing to do then, using the onboard reverb for the keyboard, bring it up or down depending on which mic setting you are using. The reverb is going to imitate the space that the mic is creating that you get by switching to omni or uni directional.

In Why 1 it sounds closer to balanced, as far as presence.

Consider putting this tune in on the music project idea I mentioned will you, it's a great tune.

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#150181 - 02/17/03 07:27 PM Re: Dabbling in Recording
trtjazz Offline
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Bb,
Hope you don't mind....but I d/l'd "Why" did as much of a remix as I could and embellished it with a bit of acoustic guitar. I like this tune very much.

It's on my site on the links/guest artists page. Let me know after you've heard it so I can pull it down. Hope you like what I've added.

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#150182 - 02/18/03 01:45 AM Re: Dabbling in Recording
beachbum Offline
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Registered: 11/18/02
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Great Job!!
Nice riffs on the song. You discovered my weakness.. Fills.. You did a great job on the breaks... I listened to it about 20 times... Sounds really good... Thanks for taking the time... If you ever get a tune you need melody and vocals for let me know!

Thanks again


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#150183 - 02/18/03 03:48 AM Re: Dabbling in Recording
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Bb,
Glad you liked what I added to an already great tune. Iwould have liked to have had the vocals seperate from the music, so I could do a better mix for it, but it was just a fun quick project.
I've pulled it down now off my site.

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