Let me hear what you think..It's slow around here today...and if DNJ can think outloud.........
Actually ,I am really looking forward to checking out the Roland E80...and No I am not selling my "G"..

You could pay for it by eliminating one of the roadies necessary to transport the G1000.

DonM

Last week, I saw Lee Ann Womack in concert. Afterwards, I went up and looked at the keyboard and I've already forgotten the model, haha. But anyway, it was easily one of the best sounding piano sounds I've ever heard. Of course, no telling what kind of gizmos they have hooked up to that thing, but it was a Roland. The keyboard took a few solos and ooh-la-lah... shweeeeeet.

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Bill
Yamaha PSR2000

Hhahahah Fran how much did you drink at the meeting Last night or do you really miss the hand claps that much

Don, you mean this roadie?

Fran....I would guess she could certainly lift things....

Fran

I once owned a G1000 too, but then graduated to the Tyros too. Good idea, I know you'll never regret it.

Graham

Now THAT'S a roadie!
DonM

hmmm, makes you want to go out and buy some Ralph Loren underwear. Ah er what were we talking about -- oh forget looking at keyboards, that SO much more interesting.

Fran do what I did, keep the G1000 and go and buy a Tyros 2 to go with it
All I need now is to get rid of the SD1 as it looks lonely in it's case

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Yes, you should.

Okay..okay already!!!

The first $4,000.00 takes my G1000...

Put the g1000 on ebay, say farewell to it...and get a shiny spanking new tyros2

Why, the G1000 is an awesome arranger.....sounds like you think differently, have you played one at lenght?

Yes i have played the g1000 several times. It remains the best sounding Roland arranger to date...better than all the VA series and better than the G70. The drum kits i remember were more powerful than the SAME named drum kits on my ex va5. And it has no touch screen and lots of buttons which is brilliant. Key feel was out of the top draw.And it looked smart. In my opinion there should have been a g2000. Their previous best arranger before the g1000 i think was the e86 which i owned. Now i have played the tyros2 and it may not have the same key feel as the g1000 but it certainly puts the g1000 aside in all departments including sounds styles features ease of use etc.

I wouldn't trade my G 1000 but I sure could use that roadie.

Joe

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Songman55
Joe Ayala

Rolandfan, I agree with you a little..The 86 was a nice board..I think the G800 had an edge over the 86..except the 86 had speakers..
I totally disagree with you that the G1000 is aside compared to the Tyros...Although sounds and styles are subjective[personal taste]..I find most of the G1000 bank sounds favorable to the Tyros. Many of the Tyros sounds have that annoying fake vibrato built into the sample..I rather control the vibrato with after-touch..
We all get use to the sounds of our own keyboards, and prefer them, but in my previous point...it is true..

As for styles ...I prefer Roland styles, and always have..Yamaha as the other manufacturers, have some nice styles, but across the board...give me Roland styles...besides styles can be converted[Roland seems to sound better with the converted styles , more so then the other way around]..
Now for the "biggie"...Features...
The 8 year old G1000, has features Yamaha does not even know about..
Like Chord sequencer, a real 16 track sequencer, assignable features with after-touch that Tyros does not have, Control for up to six layers[parts] separately, including expression].
The old G1000 even utilized markers for SMF's.[as Tyros]..
More features that Tyros can't touch.. The quickest SMF search and play from media..The same with styles..The best SMF editing of SMF's in real time and easily saved[system exclusive].

As for easy to operate...when you get use to any board this is second nature...That being said..I can do anything faster and smoother "Live" than anyone on a Tyros, Korg or Ketron..

Personally, I think the G1000 was[is] the most advanced arranger of it's time..[1998]..

And this "dated" thing makes me laugh..
A cha cha is still a cha cha..same with a polka...and every other known rhythm..

A piano sounds like it did forever, a sax...a trumpet..

Does the Tyros have great sounds...absolutely..
Is it worth given up all the features, key feel, get around, performances etc...that the Tyros can't touch.....If the answer was YES, I would already have a Tyros..

I agree that the g800 sounds are indeed a notch above the e86. I also agree totally that Rolands 16 track sequencer is much easier to use than the tyros. I was never happy with that aspect of the tyros. Its true that some of the yamaha sounds have built in vibrato that u cant remove but i think they used it in the appropriate sounds and to me it sounds realistic. The tyros styles are more "in your face" than the g1000. This is either liked or disliked. The tyros2 multipads are fantastic to use with the styles.

The vocalizer, multipads, multiple song markers, and audio recording...are all pluses over the G1000..but at this point in time..the comparison should be Tyros/G70.

What I am using currently covers all the bases..G1000 for arranger and sequence playback..Also sequencing[I prefer this over the computer sequencing]..
The DisCover5 for Vocalizer and sequence playback..
The laptop for MP3 and break tunes..

It would be nice to have it all in one...G70?[if they would update to audio recording as they did the FantomX...I don't think it would be hard to upgrade].

Maybe Midjay[in a keyboard form].

Maybe the Genesys[a little pricey].

Maybe the Korg PA1X[with a few OS changes]

My guess...the G70 will be the most logical for me..
I would even be interested in a version of the E80 [speaker model] equipped with 76 [G70 type} keys.....Even if it weighed in at 60lbs..If the sound system is as good as the specs..

To be even more fair to Roland it should be E80 compared to T2. Fran here in South Africa the music shops always have the g70 pa1x and now the T2.. In the USA it seems these top end keyboards are hard to locate.. The tyros2 took 6 months to come to South Africa but the G70 was here the moment it was launched. I will try the E80 when it launches. I think u should rather go for the e80 and not the g70 albeit no 76 keys. By the way i still have that cd u sent me a few years ago...do u remember?

Wasn't that my Roland Style Library...that I didn't want to get around?

Yes. U wrote on it " Frans roland library of styles 10985" and i promised u i wouldnt make copies...and to this day ive kept that promise. Oneday when i return to my roots [getting a new roland] i will use it again. Thanks for that Fran. I got it kept under lock and key

Fran you think your roadie could lift my Mackies, I pay good?

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Fran, you seriously need to get the G1000/G70 and a Tyros 2 together in the same room.. play a tune using your best sax on any of the rolands, and then play it on the T2 using an SA (Super Articulation) sax.

If you cannot notice a difference, then I sense some serious problems with your hearing, no offence.

You being a professional performer I assume you might have a good ear for detail, have a listen to some string sounds or acoustic nylon guitars on either of the boards...

Maybe you already have, maybe you have not... but if you have, then you would have to be the most bias person to roland I have ever heard of, judging by the comments and assumtions you make when you compare Roland to Yamaha...

Nick we have compared the sax from the three you mentioned already...even a SZ comparison that most thought the G1000 sax sounded better[a SMF was used for the test..]and the Roland's were not tweaked..Other 's tweaked the Tyros2 to include the best they could muster out of the Yamaha...The vast majority including Yamaha supporters agreed ..Matter of fact we used several sound sources and If I can recall the Tyros was sitting in 4th or 5th place of the test...You can search Dogget..

Since this test as you know I tested the G70, and one of the sounds that impressed me was the sax..I use the breathy sax anf EXp sax on the G1000..These are my favorite saxes with the exception of the new G70 sax I played..

sounds fair enough, I am keen to have a read of the comments made after those comparisons,

I have played the saxes on technics KN 7, Roland VA7 series and T2 and to my ears the T2 is up there with the KN7 on that note.

How about the Guitars and Symphonic string sounds?

The guitar mode in the Rolands is definitely impressive but still it is out of league compared to the T2... The Roland Guitars are more suited for accomp strumming not solo (like mega Voices). surely you would agree on this one.

Nick

I think the strenght of the Tyros2 is the guitars.

And it would also have to be one of the most important parts of a live band...

Bass and drums, and maybe the piano are the most important in a band

I think the guitar is more accent[color sound] , as the sax, organ etc..

I have to agree with Fran, the Bass and Drums are the backbone. These need to be spot on. The bass is what always singles out an arranger keyboard--of course that's my opinion.

Squeak

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Nick, you will find many varied and often biased ( mine included)opinions on this site.

Trust your own ears.

Tyros2 and G70 are both state of the art keyboards....both have strengths and weaknesses...

Ian

IT's really simple.
OLD BOYS NEED NEW TOYS
BEBOP

Hey, last I looked, BASS is a guitar?

Unless it’s a Drum, Acoustic, Double, Clarinet, Organ or Synth.

Bill