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#166906 - 08/09/02 12:22 AM XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Uncle Dave Offline
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More XD9 questions:

Can I....

1) Call up a rhythm pattern and have a right hand sound already picked for that style, like the OTS or STS on other brands?

2) Copy and paste just the bass line from say...variation A into variation B? Can it be saved to the actual style or just to the program section?

3) Play styles direct from disk, either floppy or HD ?

4) Somehow disable the tempo restrictions in the styles that use sampled drums? This is a real problem .... There are a bunch of rhythms that will only go so far, tempo wise. This makes them UNusable in practical application. They cannot be called up in succession during playback of other styles. Tempo should NEVER be restricted or limited.

5) Use long file names for song titles?

6) Call up a menu with a bunch of registrations names to look at, before I actually select the reg. I want?

7) Select registrations any other way than the 10 key method? F/S maybe? Advance or decrease?
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#166907 - 08/09/02 02:12 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
technicsplayer Offline
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registrations are a real pain on this board. can't be done from the panel, only increment/decrement from a footswitch.

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#166908 - 08/09/02 07:12 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
DanO1 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Dave:
More XD9 questions:

Can I....

1) Call up a rhythm pattern and have a right hand sound already picked for that style, like the OTS or STS on other brands?

yes

2) Copy and paste just the bass line from say...variation A into variation B? Can it be saved to the actual style or just to the program section?

yes

3) Play styles direct from disk, either floppy or HD ?
no

4) Somehow disable the tempo restrictions in the styles that use sampled drums? This is a real problem .... There are a bunch of rhythms that will only go so far, tempo wise. This makes them UNusable in practical application.

Can you be more specific ? Which styles ?

They cannot be called up in succession during playback of other styles.

I am not sure this is true ....call me ...

410 747 0200 12:30 to 6Pm

Tempo should NEVER be restricted or limited.

Ketrons goal was to provide the best possible drums . They decided that .wav sync is the answer . This does however effect the tempo of some of the styles .
Is there away around it ? possibly ....


There are over 400 additional styles on the hard drive . That's 172 stock + 400 .

Any style loaded off the hard drive should be able to alter tempo . There may be another way . It would have to do with the copy pattern mode .

5) Use long file names for song titles?

NO every LCD display has some limitations .

6) Call up a menu with a bunch of registrations names to look at, before I actually select the reg. I want?

I do not use registrations . Many options can be saved without using them


7) Select registrations any other way than the 10 key method? F/S maybe? Advance or decrease?



I'll check ....


keep asking those questions .




UD ...there are only a few XD9 owners in the USA . Not many experts ! more to come .....dano
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#166909 - 08/09/02 08:00 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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UD,

Pls see responce below:

1) Call up a rhythm pattern and have a right hand sound already picked for that style, like the OTS or STS on other brands?
>>>AJ: Partially. If you use Registrations, perfectly. However, you can assing a group of sounds (1 Touch) to each style [using Arranger Mode -> Page 2/2 -> Touch Ass x/6 & Tou-Sty = ENABLE]. This way, when you select a style, and press 1 Touch, your favourite voices assinged to that group of one touch voices will be called. Your homework here is to go through all 6 pages of 1 Touch voices and assigned independently your best 10 voices per group/page.

2) Copy and paste just the bass line from say...variation A into variation B? Can it be saved to the actual style or just to the program section?
>>>AJ: Yes you can copy and paste bass lines. However you cannot make such a change to Factory styles. You will have to create a new style and copy the factory style to this location. Then you can copy and past from var a to b the bass line within this new style. You cannot copy from var a to b of factory styles.

3) Play styles direct from disk, either floppy or HD ?
>>>AJ: Nope. We left this feature for the big guy - SD1

4) Somehow disable the tempo restrictions in the styles that use sampled drums? This is a real problem .... There are a bunch of rhythms that will only go so far, tempo wise. This makes them UNusable in practical application. They cannot be called up in succession during playback of other styles. Tempo should NEVER be restricted or limited.
>>>AJ: You are correct. However, due to the wave file processing, if we reduce the speed below a certain fixed point, the sample starts to sound distorted. For such styles, you can (for now) copy to user pattern and delete the DRUM2 track - however, for patterns that rely heavily on this, you will be missing a few percussive instruments!

5) Use long file names for song titles?
>>>AJ: Due to limitations of screen size, we can only display a fixed character length. This will be increased in our next product line.

6) Call up a menu with a bunch of registrations names to look at, before I actually select the reg. I want?
>>>AJ: YES. You can do this if you are using SINGLE REGISTERS (REGISTERS that reside on FD/HD). These get displayed on the screen and you can scroll through and select the corresponding number. Unfortunately, the BLOCK REGISTERS cannot exhibit such a display as they are handled internally within the processor.

7) Select registrations any other way than the 10 key method? F/S maybe? Advance or decrease?
>>>AJ: YES - using the F/S 6 or F/S13 and you can increase/decrease. [UTILITIES -> FOOTSWITCH (F4)].

Hope this helps.

Thanks,

AJ
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#166910 - 08/09/02 08:08 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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It's the wav sync styles that drive be buggy. What good are having terrific sounding styles if you can't adjust the tempo to suit YOUR specific song needs?
I don't remember all of them, but there are three swing styles that lock me out at tempos that are simply too fast for many songs. Fast swing and Medium Fox, I believe are two of them. They kick in at 140 and 160.
There are others as well, and it really kills a performance when you change tempo smack in the middle of a song without warning. I'd rather have a simpler, slightly LESS stunning pattern that allows me the freedom to use it anywhere. Most of the instrument is like this, and still sounds great. It must be possible..... somehow.
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#166911 - 08/09/02 08:10 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Uncle Dave Offline
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Whoops - AJ responded at the same time I was answering! I'll check that drum2 stuff - that may be another major hurdle for me. Thanx Prince !
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#166912 - 08/09/02 08:53 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
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AJ,
I was just about to tell Dave about single registrations when you beat me to it!Good Job Ketron Tech Support!
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#166913 - 08/09/02 09:06 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Dnj Offline
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hey dave ,

are you gonna have this ting before I get to hear it? Sounds like this baby is giving you a tussle!! :>)

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#166914 - 08/09/02 09:32 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Donny .... I'm using it all this weekend after all, so if you are around Friday - cool. I'll also be in AC Saturday afternoon, and I have off most of the night. (from about 3pm) I was going to spend it with my cousin in Linwood, then Tuesday, maybe head down to Baltimore to see DanO, then I have a recording gig in Sea Isle City on Wednesday .... just a little road trip.

Maybe we can hook up somewhere along the way?
Maybe Tuesday before I leave - you can shoot down to Linwood for lunch with the XD?
Just a thought.
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#166915 - 08/10/02 08:48 AM Re: XD9 questions ....... for the experts.
Uncle Dave Offline
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Well, now I have two official night's work completed on the XD9, and ya know what ?
It STILL sounds great to me. I am working through some navigation issues, but the overall sound is just stellar. The crowd has remarked at the realism, and if I can ever get the vocalizer to do what I want ..... I just might keep it for a while longer.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the PA80 offers more realtime comfort levels in a lot of areas. I am deciding which features are the most important to me at this time.
I also had some trouble with the sequencer playback. I'll post more after I am sure it was not user error, as it often is !

Two more parties this weekend should make me pretty much "up to speed" on this thing, so I'll report more after my mini-vacation. (I'm running away till Wednesday)

Carry on people, and I'll report more on this ever evolving quest for perfection after a few days. Boy, these drums sound good.
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