evediently someone returned a tyros at my local music store.. kept it a few months ( a saxaphone player)etc never used familar story... they want $1999 for it with case... They had it displayed into a monitor mounted on the wall..I looked it up on the web and it looks like there r some speakers that are shown with it,, a stand , a music stand..

I guess my question is if you get a new one for $2700-$3000 do u usually get the speakers and the stand with it or do u pay extra for them...

does this sound like a good deal as far as tyros prices go??

ok my first impressions!


very simple to use at a surface lvl if your familar with the dept/store brand arrangers..It seems to have everything ive been looking for.. unlimited use banks,tap tempo, the harmonizer might be usefel as were short of singers not sure how well it works from what u guys have said tho, beatufil sounds and auto accomp, and auto switching lead instuments with changing the varations was pretty neat...I was overlly pretty impressed with it..

However Im still really hung up on the 61 key thing..if it had 76 keys I would have bought it immediattly instead of debating here ...

one last question!

r u guys %100 sure the next tyros II will not be 76 keys????

No, the speaker & stand are add-on accesories & are typically sold separately, but often a music store might possibly add one or two of these extras at a special 'package price' to sweeten the deal. Though the stand may be attractive, I personally don't recommend it if you plan to gig with your Tyros because it doesn't 'break down' easily. There are many other stands out there (from Quiklock, etc) allow for quick breakdown & substantially less expense.[/B][/QUOTE]


$1,999 for a used Tyros w/case sounds like a pretty good deal, especially if the store is backing it with some kind of warranty thru them as well. Curious what specific brand/model case is included with it as because the $ value of the case can range greatly depending on whether it's a hard, semi hard, or if it's merely a soft bag around the kb.


No one here can be 100% certain, but from the two Tyros2 pics I saw of which (to me) are NOT DOCTORED, I'm pretty certain that Tyros2 willl include only 61 keys. On the other hand, Tyros2 isn't due out for actually release till the end of this year, so anything can happen between now and then.

Scott

thanks scotteye for you reply and help.... hehe you answered all 3 questions very nice!

I went back today turned out absoulotely no warranty on used item..

could buy a 2 year warranty for $150..

it was a soft case not a hard one...

didnt come with keyboard stand or speakers as u said but it also didn't have a music stand with it???

from what im reading the sheet
music holder that attatches to 2 knobs at the back usally comes standard with a tryos correct?

plus strange but we couldn't buy it today even if we wanted to.. its on a 30 day hold to make sure it isn't stolen.. we could basically pay for 1/2 of it and then pick it up in a month...

funny they would have something set out to sell that you couldn't actually buy for a month..

Still debating a bit but odd's r probally not going to get due to 76 key thing and these other problems..

Anyways thanks again for the info scotteye



[This message has been edited by Timo1 (edited 05-01-2005).]

Humm... Another lost sale for the Tyros 2 due to its lack of an additional 15 keys.

Is Yamaha listening to the requests of its customers and 'potential' customers? There are more people than you can shake a stick at that have requested Yamaha make a 76 key version Tyros 2. They have to know this. They surely don't have their heads in the sand, do they? The requests won't go away. But it is up to them to capitalize on it.

Oh well, I guess they don't mind losing the additional revenue a 76 key version would add to their coffers. Their loss and another Keyboard manufacturers gain I suppose. As in Roland and Korg. Too bad...

I myself personally, would ONLY be interested in a 76 note Tyros if Yamaha is able to fit it within the current overall shell dimensions of Tyros1. This actually is physically feasible by simply moving the mod wheel from left of the keyboard to somewhere above the keys and totally eliminating the floppy disk tray holder currently to the right of the keys on Tyros1. Unfortunately, the two pics of Tyros2 that I have, still show the mod wheels at the left, and a blank (wasted shelf space) to the right of 61 keys, so the chance of a 76 note Tyros2 doesn't appear encouraging.

Scott

[This message has been edited by Scottyee (edited 05-01-2005).]

I agree wholeheartedly Scott. It would be very feasible to make a 76 note Tyros 2 with the same overall dimensions of the Tyros 1 or very close to same length anyway. Moving the Mod & Pitch wheels up above the keybed would take some adjustment to get use to but I really see no problem with moving it up except a person would have to reach a little further than them being just to the left of the keybed as they are on the Tyros 1.

Another high priority for Yamaha would be to make the weight comparible to the Tyros 1. If they could keep it within let's say 5 to 10 lbs of the Tyros' 27.38 lbs (12.4 kg) they would definitly have a winner. Btw, it can be done. The Roland Fantom X7 (76 key version) weighs in at exactly 32 lbs. Granted it is no Arranger but why should it be any different for an Arranger? In fact I would be okay if Yamaha made it up to 10 lbs heavier than the Tyros 1. Give em' a little leeway if they need it. Make it very stylish (no B2 Bomber though Yamaha - Please!) then I would be okay with 37 lbs.

PS: In my opinion Yamaha is letting gold slip through their fingers and it seems they don't even care. There is a HUGE market for 76 note keyboards - Workstations AND Arrangers. But the key for a successful 76 key Tyros 2 for Yamaha is:

1. It has to have 76 keys of course.
2. The price has to be lower than the competition. - Note! (VERY IMPORTANT).
3. The sounds and Styles have to be STELLAR obviously.
4. The build quality has to be up to snuff.
We as the owners should not have to be 'beta testers' for shoddy, rushed to the market products. Get it right at the Factory and they've won 90% of the battle. Quality Control should be their number ONE priority.
5. The support has to be, well.. very supportive, and ongoing. Yamaha has to take the initiative when it comes to supporting the Tyros 2, 3, etc. They must not continue to sit back and wait until problems arise before they act and then 'slowly' move to provide a fix by way of an OS update, etc. Correct problems BEFORE they arise. Yamaha should have employees whose only job is to see if they can 'break' a product. In other words they should do extensive testing and re-testing of their products even AFTER the product ships! And then immediately provide a fix. Before users even discover them themselves! It should be embarrassing to them to have the owners finding all of these problems on their products after the fact. But not so apparently.
6. The weight should be within reason and optimally under 40 lbs. If they could make it around 30 lbs they would have an instant hit - with all other things considered of course.
7. Make it very Live performance friendly. They got it right on the Tyros 1 so this should be a no brainer for them. Do the same with the Tyros 2, DUH!

Okay, okay.. I could go on, but these "7" are in my opinion crucial to a successful 76 key Tyros 2, 3, 4, or whatever. The sooner they bring one to market the sooner they will reap the benefits. The ball is in their court though. They have to decide if they want to volley it.

Best regards,
Mike

I'll buy new Tyros only with 61 keys. Now I have Roland G-1000. I play every Saturday at different places, and I'm little tired of g1000's weight and dimensions.

I don't like new design of Tyros2, may be I'm too conservative. For me the old tyros is prettier than tyros2. I prefer roundity then sharp edges in other things too.

Don't know much about megavoice tehnology, but I have doubt that Yamaha will include sampler too.
All I need about sampler is, simply sample player if sometime I'll wish to expand some drum set with few kicks and snares. Nothing more.

Tim,
I got basically the same deal a few weeks ago on a Tyros. Stopped in a store and they had one that had been returned. These guys were great to work with though - gave me a year warranty through the store right away.

At this price (I got mine for just under $2k also with a stand and a soft bag) it was a no brainer for me. The Tryos was the best of any arrainger I looked at and the support from on line user groups and yamaha direct is terrific.

The no warranty policy and marketing merch they're not positive about being hot or not is a little troubling in my opinion though...

Whether it's at that store or on line -- you can sometimes find a Tyros on ebay for around the same price, get one! I've just scratched the surface of mine so far, but I really like what i see.

I will never buy a Tyros II if it has similar keys as Tyros I (that is, smaller -not standard size- keys, and not good key feel). Specially, size is the most importat for me, beeing a pianist.
I can't understand why Yamaha make these toy keys in a 3000 $ keyboard, when cheap Roland or Casio make decent keys and standard size.

[This message has been edited by tracknet (edited 05-09-2005).]

I understand you, but I'm not a pianist. My Roland G-1000 has good keys, right size and good touch fell. I'll drop a tears for that keys, but my priority is sweet sounding keyboard arranger with low weight and size. I hope that tyros2 keys will have good touch feel if keys vill be without right size. There's a many place on market for good 76 and specially for 61 key arranger (without speaker of course). No one, korg, roland and ketron haven't top modell with 61 keys I need. And if they could change porotype design I'll be happy as the king.
Best regards