Anyone ordered a Pa1X pro in US yet? I see them at most major web retailers selling for $3499 (Korg's MAP), is there a dealer anyone know of that may sell it for less?

Does anyone know when these are shipping in the US?

Middle of August 2006.

Your guess is as good as anybodies. They've been listed over at Music123.com for the past 6 weeks or so saying that they would be in stock in two to 3 weeks. Of course that was "6 weeks" ago. Korg is trickling them out in Europe to where maybe 3 or 4 people on the planet actually own one and I think the ones that do probably work for Korg in some capacity. There could be production problems where the supply of vital parts are held up somewhere for some unknown reason causing a virtual standstill in the Pa1X PRO's assembly line production.

I think it's Roland that's the only Keyboard Manufacturer that will actually deliver a product on time and in quanity when promised.... The rest announce a product and declare a shipment delivery date but more often than not you won't see the product in stores until way beyond the declared date has passed.........................................................................................................

Korg is one of those companies.

Best regards,
Mike



[This message has been edited by keybplayer (edited 12-15-2003).]

Hi
Save your money I own a Pa1xpro you can get one at www.swiftmusic.co.uk or there are a few on ebay for less than $3400.00 also they are available in Belgium , However before you plunk down $3000 bucks more or less get the facts from a owner,
First NO mp3 board available No Voice upgrade available No 1.5 operating system available No 2.0 operating system available this make the cd recordable and to boot no body and I mean "nobody" knows when these accessiores will be available TC Helicon don't even know about the upgrade sug1 board
Korg is selling you a car without it's tires "Save your money"
The keyboard is great however so is my grand piano and when I go out to play I use my Yamaha 9000 the Korg sits in the corner waiting for its accessiores Isold my pa80 to get this one and now I am sorry , maybe in Christmas 2004 Korg will have the Pa1xpro
available for the comsumer but for now "save your money"
Applex

Korg did the same thing when they released the PA80. It was not ready for real use for quite some time.
DonM

I waited over 3 years for Korg to release a world sounds expansion card for my Triton Rack. Now that they finally have I don't want it anymore, because I bought other things to take it's place.

I waited 2 years for them to come up with more PA80 styles, by the time they finally did I sold it and bought a Tyros.

Korg is certainly not at the top of my list when I go out looking to buy anything musical anymore.
Terry

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Terry http://imjazzed.homestead.com/Index.html



[This message has been edited by trtjazz (edited 12-17-2003).]

Applex,

I am not interested in any accessories since I already have other gear. The important things for me are:

Sampling (Mostly percussion audio loops in styles)
Decent sounds to use live
Decent Mic input and vocals mixing
76 keys with good key feel
Vocals Harmony
Flash based factory styles and sounds so I can customize the entire keyboard and not just the user presets.

I think all of these are available right out of the box, am I correct? I looked into Tyros, 9000pro and Roland VA but all of them are missing one or more option that I really need.

Tyros: No Sampling and 76 keys
9000pro: Factory styles are not programmable, Mono sampling, almost the same price as Pa1X
Roland VA76: No Sampling and 76 Keys

Music123 gave me a shipping date of 1/1/04. We'll see if it is available then ...

Hi HAROSHA
I once again don't want to bust your bubble
but this Keyboard is a joke;all you have is A GREAT SOUNDING Keyboard If you want that why do you want to spend your money for a car without a engine, but that's up you and thats what this is.This ia also an arranger which is why I bought it, but the sequencer don't work without the upgrade 1.5 os
But it's not available
Yes it does have some of the features your looking for; styles can be changed, has some vocal cabilities, good action, and some fancy guitars sounds but it's not whats advertised
Maybe someday it will be a great arranger but fo now my Yamaha 9000 does the same. Like I said before "Save your money" let it collect a little dust until Korg gets there act together also maybe the price will come down , I can order one for less then $3000 at my local Music Store already the price of $3400 its aready starting to drop, this unit is starting to get a bad rap in Europe because of the same things I complained about, Some guys are going to return these unitS because of the short commings with it.
But the choice is yours.I also not sure about them being in the states by the first of the year, You hear all kinds of stories about problem they are having , but who knows if they are true or not. Also
everybody and their Uncle has been promising the units will be available every other week , Korg is the worst when it come to releasing items on time.
Applex

Hi Again
One major thing I'm trying to explain really any thing you want to do with Keyboard Sampleing, sequenceing, mp3 recording looping and 50 other things you need the upgrades 1.5 os and then the 2.0 os
But there are not available and nobody and I mean "No" body knows when they will be. For example there is a suppost to be a upgrade Sug1 board for the vocals. I called TC Helicon to see about it's production and they do not know a thing about it.
They explained all they did was to give Korg the right to use there name but no board.
Where is this new board? Where is it comming from? Who making it? Who knows? nobody.
Is there really a upgrade board.
I know when you call other companies you can a resonable answer try that with korg all you is "I don't know "
Applex

"any thing you want to do with Keyboard Sampleing, sequenceing, mp3 recording looping and 50 other things you need the upgrades 1.5 os and then the 2.0 os"

Applex, thanks for your reply. Sorry to hear that you are not happy with Pa1X. may be I'll wait until Korg gets their act together. Are you saying that sampling and sequencing features won't work without the 1.5 OS upgrade? Where can you order the Pa1X for less than $3000?

[This message has been edited by harosha (edited 12-18-2003).]

Man, talk about putting the horse BEFORE the cart! The keyboard has NOT BEEN RELEASED in the uS yet! Why does it surprise you that it's not ready yet? You wanted to be the first one on the block with it. Well, now you are. Be patient. As they finish their beta run ... it will get the support it deserves. You need to chill about this new item. In the US is's still an NON entity, but it will get here as soon as it's ready, I'm sure. You jumped the gun a bit here, but don't panic ..... it will still be sellable ( or useable) as soon as it really hits the streets.

Well said Uncle Dave... There's hundreds of people dying to get a PAX (I'm one of them.) We all knew months ago that there would be version 1.5 and 2.0 in the future and to complain about this is very wrong.

One thing I think you should all keep in mind is that this is NOT a Korg US product. The PA series - all versions - are designed, produced and built by Korg Italy !! Italy is - based on my dealings with them and the PA80 - not in the slightest bit interested in customer service or suppport. They seldom are involved in user groups or forums and posts of an 'official' nature NEVER happen !! What little info one gets is from 'people associated with the product' - as individuals and in an unnofficial capacity. They'll do it when they get around to it !! Sure they've released a few OS upgrades for the PA80, but that was over a 2 year period. I happen to like the PA80, but then I've also done a lot of work for and with the PA80 users over the last couple of years converting programs, styles etc. BTW - I don't use it much any more either !!

I would tend to believe that Korg Italy ain't the best at releasing this stuff. In a way it's a shame that Jerry and Korg US gets the bad rap for something they really have little control over - as I found jerry to be pretty darn reasonable !!

I would think that the PA1X will be a pretty decent machine - EVENTAALLY !! So, my advice, FWIW would be like applex says, "ssve your money" for the time being. Wait for the price to drop and the support to be there !!

Let Jerry K, tell you when you should try to buy in the US. Happy Holidays to all !!

Regards,
Steve

[This message has been edited by S0C9 (edited 12-20-2003).]

I agree with Steve. The only difference for me is that I still use my PA80 a lot. I was ready to return it within two weeks after I had purchased it, because the OS was so incomplete. Fortunately, the timing was right for me and OS 2.0 was released right before I was going to bring it back. It worked out for the best, because it's still my favorite arranger, for now.

Still, that's a strange way to market stuff. I don't agree with those who advocate patience or think that making a complaint is wrong.. especially if I've already plunked down a substantial amount my hard earned cash ( as a few of those overseas apparently have ). Nope. Not me. I want the product to do what it says " on the tin", meaning what was advertised..WHEN it becomes available for me to buy, not six months or a year later.

Minor fixes and upgrades are to be expected and I would welcome them. Major functions missing ? That is not acceptable to me. My PA 80 could not create internal song or style based sequences, user voices, or user styles in it's original OS version when I purchased it. Those are major features in an arranger. Many of the important functions didn't come out in OS upgrades until many months after the board was released.

I like the Korg arrangers a lot vs any of their counterparts, but I won't ever buy such an incomplete product again, or " hold my breathe " waiting for it to do what it's supposed to. It won't happen again, not to me. At least to my preferences and tastes, Yamaha has improved upon it's styles and sounds on it's latest releases, so I no longer see a big gap between the two. I'd like to wait for the PA1x speaker version to come out as a full featured board, not a beta board. If history repeats itself though, the PSR3000 will be likely be out and fully functional long before the PA1x speaker version has an updated OS that includes the abilility use of all major functions. If the PSR 3k has somewaht decent feeling keys and is fully functioanl before the PA1x is, I'll gladly buy it instead.

AJ

I'm curious Steve. After all that great work converting Triton programs to the Pa80 and now not using it very much, what DO you use?

Thanks,
Tom

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Bigger is not always better

Hi Steve
Glad that someone else agrees. If I wanted a half finished arranger that what they should advertise, No 1.5 os so you can't record no Mp3 board No vocal up grade , But "BUY" it anyway and wait till they are ready.
Check out www.keyboardwizard.com
The site isn't completed I think he may still be working on it he's got a pa1 x pro also

Applex

No Keyboard Manufacturer should release a half baked product. Okay, so it's not on U.S. soil yet but it is on European soil and it has been in retail stores there for a few weeks. People own them. They are for sale. The ones they're selling in Europe should not be in any kind of Beta or pre-production stage.

They have put the cart before the HORSE not the other way around. Shame on Korg for releasing a product that the customer can not take full advantage of straight out of the box. At least Yamaha releases Keyboards that you don't have to sit around for 6 months to a year {theoretically speaking} waiting for "parts" to connect the dots with, whether it be Hardware OR software. Bad rap indeed! I can see why.

It would be interesting to hear from JJ and know what he thinks about all this. Does JJ work for Korg? Is that why he distances himself from negative talk about the PA1X PRO?!?!? He had one of the first PA1X PRO's on the planet so possibly he has inside connections with Korg or he works for Korg in some capacity. Or perhaps he doesn't work for Korg, etc., but maybe he got disgusted like Applex has and he sold it or returned it already therefore he has nothing to talk about?

Best regards,
Mike

Hello Mike,

I like your sense of humour ...

As far as you know , I hate discussion and specially barren discussions. But, now you are a sympathic man and I go to answer you

1°) First of all , I have nothing to do with Korg or with Yamaha or with Roland.... I'm only a musician thats loves to play .......with good synths or KB..

2°) I'm also a positive man and the reason because I do not want give my advice is that I think that some people here are too much negative for me ...In French we say : Cela dépend si la bouteille est à moitié pleine ou à moitié vide... I prefer to think that the bottle is "half full"...That's more positive.

3°)Yes, I still have the Korg in home and I am very glad of this KB.It sound terrific .More demos are coming soon

4°)When I bought the PaX1, I KNEW that this KB was'nt complete. So I assumed my purchase ! And I have no regrets....
I don't understand why Mr Applex bought an uncomplete KB for his eyes....For information, he complaints on the german forum and he received the same answer .

5°)All the things that are missing on the present model are extra charges : MP3,....

6°)It is certainly not my last KB, but I can say for the moment that it is for me one of the best. For example the control of the tracks in direct play is terrific... Like a guy said to Mr Applex at the German Forum , I want to say the next : If somedy have a PAX1 Pro, I will change it with pleasure and give him my ex-Yamaha 9000 Pro...

Voilà, Mike , are you satisfied with my candid answer ? I hope so, because it took me a lot of time

Best regards,
JJ

Tom,
I don't use the PA80 much any more for a number of reasons - none of which have to do with my like/dislike of the board.

#1 - with 4 kids (7 -> 16) I'm first an foremost a transportation service... that is VERY time consuming. So far, I've only been able to be in TWO places at once !! I'm working on three !! LOL.
#2 - I've also been very busy with the band. This have benn going well, and I play guitar (my primary instrument), not key with the band.
#3 - I've had a Triton Studio for almost a year, and I've been scratching at the surface of that, which obviously takes time away from the PA80.
#4 - spent summer months recording demos of the band using my D1600 recorder. This again has take time away from other things.

I still love to play the PA80 when I can, but time is limited. I do use it when I jam [albeit infrequently] with "the guys", mainly to provide backing rythyms, not as a featured instrument. It's great tho', to be able to pick a style and just go. Can't beat that !! And I, unlike some others of note, have no issues with the sounds on the PA80 at all.

Regards,
Steve

Hi Mike And JJ
First it's great to know that JJ would pay
full price for a bottle of wine that's only half full, because PT Barny said" A sucker is born every minute" and now I beleive it
You JJ may want a half finished Keyboard but I don't. Your responds to this forum only increases my belife that you do have closer ties with Korg then your letting on. Let me put it to you once again It was Korg that announced all these features on this Keyboard not the consumer, They released this prouct whether in Europe or in South Africa or Boston , the unit is available out there "UNFINISHED" and when after a hard working person pays for asks where is everything you advertised they reply" We don't know " is there answer No 1.5 os system, No 2.0 op system, No Mp3 Board ,No vocal upgrade,So sequencer ability without the 1.5.I have this Keyboard and you don't. Go buy one "there are available" and sit in a corner and play a half finished Keyboard them you can get on this forum and express how much you like it without all it's features. and talk is cheap, cause you talk a good story about this keyboard and you don't own one. One again save your money on this Keyboard until Korg gets there act together and provides all the upgrades so the keyboard can be used properly I am not
and repeat "not" knocking this keyboard it is of good quality ,Only Korgs way of doing business to an unsupecting consumer is my beef
Applex

I do realize that JJ has one of these keyboards, So he must like a half bottle of wine for his money.The opions express in my first reply is to the people that don't own this Keyboard, but say I should be satisfied.

Applex,

I find your words offensive for me.
My goal was here to give an answer to Mike.
I speak usually French and for me it is a very hard work to written or read something in this forum...so be polite please with the "foreigners". So, I search in my dictionary and I read that the translation of sucker is not a compliment !! Who are you to say that...? You don't know nothing of my live...? Excuse me to say that , but it is not fair ...and ridiculous.
You offend me a second time when you suspect that I have ties with Korg !! You treat me like a liar..I can't accept that...
By the way, you did'nt understand what I would mean with this half full bottle, but that is not important...
As far as I'm concerned, the discussion is close for me and if you want to continue to pour out your grudge, do it with another "sucker" than me .....
JJ