We hope to hear some great songs from you now Don Congrats on a great Choice!!

Thanks Donny,
It came at 4:00 p.m. and I unboxed it and took it to work at 5:30. Set it up, set up the Vocal processor, loaded a few things I had saved from the old Tyros, set up one bank of registrations and played the job.
First impressions are that it is very goodj!
HankB is on his way to my house right now. I have the Bose PAS set up and he is bringing the Barbetta 31Cs. We will A-B the systems and I will decide for myself about the stereo issue, or non-issue, whichever it is.
Later today I will convert the Musicfinder names, install the Hard drive, load text files and generally tweak it to my needs.
I have a double tomorrow, and a double Saturday, so it has to be ready.
More later,
DonM

Old news!

Don, Congratulations !

Scott

Don, I can't wait to hear some recordings with your new Tyros2 and your masterful guitar work..

Don't forget to change those Vocalizer settings according to Gary's Tyros 1 settings. Also, don't forget to play arround with the touch sensitivity for the SA voices.

Well guys, we hooked up both systems, running both systems flat with some very slight e.q. on the T2 mixer. I fully expected the T2 to sound better than the Barbettas, particularly the Piano, from what I've read.
We first ran line outs from the left and right outputs into two channels on the Bose. Again, no presets, the Bose was set flat.
We listened to the Pianos, organs guitar, styles, brass -- everything. It sounded fantastic.
Then we disconnected the cables and ran them directly into the Barbettas, left and right.
It sounded good, but nowhere near as good as the Bose. We tried all the same instruments and even used the demos from the Tyros. Again, they sounded good.
Disconnected again and ran back into the Bose. It was like night and day, the Bose sounds far better. No phase cancellation, no problem with the leslie effects or S.A. voices. I don't understand what the problem is; to me there is no problem.
I was ready to junk the Bose and buy two powered speakers again, but there is absolutely no need to do that. I would be going backwards.
Just my opinion, but one shared by my trusted friend and long-time music pro Hank Bowman.
And they were HIS Barbettas!
We spent about 45 minutes testing this, but it really only took 30 seconds to hear what we needed to hear.
DonM


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Don: What model(s) make up the components of your Bose PAS?

Don, I think the biggest problem with Yamaha mono thing..is summing to mono within the keyboard..Maybe running left and right into a mono amp helps..you should still have some phase cancellation, but most likely less noticeable than the Yamaha sum output..

All the best with your T2 Don.

One L1 and one B1.
DonM

Maybe I should, but if it's there I can't hear it, so I'm not going to concern myself with it any longer.
DonM

Don,

The results you have obtained are very interesting. I am quite pleased to hear that the Bose PAS is still the right choice for you. Congratulations on the new T2, I'm sure you will love every bit as much as your T1 and more so I expect.

On a side note is there a program that will re-title the factory songs in the music finder to a more understandable title?

If so please feel free to share it with me.

Best regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

Don,

Congrats !

Prior to the Bose PAS I was using passive JBL 15's with a Peavey powered amp. I never went to the trouble of A-B'ing the two systems because the Bose blew me away the minute I hooked it up and tried various presets.

The JBL's have been retired. And, even the little Samson Powered Speaker I depended on for those really small jobs has been gathering dust, despite the fact it is easier and quicker to set up.

Stereo/Mono has been a non-issue for me. Apparantly it is a non-issue for my audiences as well. I have had nothing but positive comments since becoming a Boser.
Eddie

Dennis, I haven't been able to find it either. I have posted a request at PSR Tutorial and also emailed Scott Yee.
When I find it, I'll pass it along.
DonM


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Here you go:
http://www.yamahapkowner.com/forum/index.php/topic,875.0.html

Eric

Thanks Eric! I'm on it!
Don

Don: Did you play the T2's stereo sampled "Live Grand Piano" voice, completely alone (without auto accompaiment)?

Which Bose EQ Preset was used?

- Scott

Here's a DIRECT DOWNLOAD link:

Tyros2 Music Finder with Corrected Names

1) Copy the file onto USB Flash stick & insert it into your keyboard.

2) Select [FUNCTION] - [UTILITY] - [SYSTEM RESET] - [MUSIC FINDER FILES]

3) Go to the USB page - and select the Music Finder file from the display.

4) Select [REPLACE] This will replace the original Music Finder list with non-cryptic titles.

Note: You'll find the original Music Finder file on the [PRESET] page - in case you want to revert back to the factory original cryptic named file.

- Scott

Scott, thank you.
I used the Bose flat, with no preset. Actually preset zero.
I did play the Stereo Grand Piano. It sounded Grand indeed!
Don

Don,

Congrats on the new Tyros2.

Cheers.
Armando

Eddie: Don M is using 1-L1 and 1-B1, what model(s) of compenents are you using for your Bose PAS?

Like I said several months ago, there was never a problem, IMO, with phase cancelation or mono when the outputs are connected into two, separate channels of the Bose PAS. If phase cancellation exists, neither I or my audiences seem to be able to hear it. For the past several weeks I've been using the PAS for all my jobs, big and small, and guess what--the audiences, the folks handing me the checks, love it.

Congratulations Don--you're gonna' love what you can do with this wonderful keyboard.

Gary

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Travlin' Easy

Installed the Hard Drive, updated the MFD, now loading text files. Everything works like a dream.
DonM

Interesting, especially if you played the stereo Grand Piano in 'solo' exposed mode (no auto accompaniment). Hmmm. I suppose Donny should have kept his PAS system then?! For whatever reason, when I last audtioned the PAS with it's 'new' EQ settings, going out Tyros Left and RT channels separately, as well as into the 2 separate channels on the Bose PAS, I still heard serious 'stereo phase cancellation' sound degradation. I've wanted to upgrade my existing PA system to a Bose PAS for quite some time, but until I'm convinced that the stereo phase cancellation problem has really been resolved with the Tyros2 + PAS system, I'm sticking with my current EV SxA100 active PA speaker setup until I upgrade to the awesome sounding EV SxA360's. - Scott

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Scottyee:
[B] Interesting, especially if you played the stereo Grand Piano in 'solo' exposed mode (no auto accompaniment). Hmmm. I suppose Donny should have kept his PAS system then?! For whatever reason, when I last audtioned the PAS with it's 'new' EQ settings, going out Tyros Left and RT channels separately, as well as into the 2 separate channels on the Bose PAS, I still heard serious 'stereo phase cancellation' sound degradation. I've wanted to upgrade my existing PA system to a Bose PAS for quite some time, but until I'm convinced that the stereo phase cancellation problem has really been resolved with the Tyros2 + PAS system, I'm sticking with my current EV SxA100 active PA speaker setup until I upgrade to the awesome sounding EV SxA360's. - Scott


I don't care.
DonM

Seriously Scott, hop on a plane and come try it out. Maybe the problem was using the presets. I have not found a preset that improves the sound of any of the keyboards.
I prefer to run no presets, in other words, flat, and do a little e.q. from the kb or mixer.
Really not much is necessary at all.
What the presets are really designed for, are individual instruments. There are dedicated presets for each type of mic, each type of guitar, each type of instrument, and they work great for that. The presets will boost certain frequencies, enhance certain sounds, cut certain frequencies, add filters, etc. However it makes sense that no one preset is right for everything at once, which is what we're doing.
Just my theory.
DonM

Robert...
I am using the standard system with the two linear columns and 1-B1. I know some guys who play heavier rock or reggae who use 2-B1's. But some of the presets pump out far more bass than I care to use (i.e. #s 55 & 57).
Eddie

I wonder if everyone is talking about the same thing when they say the Bose PAS. Eddie, when you say two linear columns do you mean one stacked on another, on one PS1, or do you mean two stacks. If you look at Bose's site you can see what they call the Single bass package. Is that what everyone is considering?

Wanted to say thank you to Eric & Scott for listing the links to the updated Music Finder list. I appreciate it.

Thanks for your help.

Scott,
It was nice to talk with you the other day. It's still hot here and I'm about to go jump in the pool.

Regards,

Dennis L. Almond
aka...TwoNuts

Robert...
When referring to the Bose PAS
The Basic Package consists of:
One L1 Cylindrical Radiator® loudspeaker (two 3 1/2 ft. pieces that snap together to make the 7 ft."pole")and PS1 power stand
One R1 remote control
Professional padded gig bags (black with white Bose logo) for: L1-top, L1-bottom, and PS1 power stand.

DonM, Gary and I are using this basic package. Others have added a second B1 or used two or more basic systems, some with added B1's.

And then there is DNJ who used to have the basic system. Different strokes for different folks.

Eddie

Holey moley, a T2! I'm behind the times.

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Bill
Yamaha PSR2000

DonM ... CONGRATS and many years of BEAUTIFUL MUSIC ... or until something else comes along ... ...
maybe someday ...
t.

Interesting, especially if you played the stereo Grand Piano in 'solo' exposed mode (no auto accompaniment). Hmmm. I suppose Donny should have kept his PAS system then?! For whatever reason, when I last audtioned the PAS with it's 'new' EQ settings, going out Tyros Left and RT channels separately, as well as into the 2 separate channels on the Bose PAS, I still heard serious 'stereo phase cancellation' sound degradation. I've wanted to upgrade my existing PA system to a Bose PAS for quite some time, but until I'm convinced that the stereo phase cancellation problem has really been resolved with the Tyros2 + PAS system, I'm sticking with my current EV SxA100 active PA speaker setup until I upgrade to the awesome sounding EV SxA360's. - Scott [/QUOTE]

Scott, I have no regrets in selling my Bose PAS.......My Mackie 450's are doing a spectactular job night after night

Now Scott someone has to be CORRECT here ?.....how can some one say its sounds great & you say your hearing "serious 'stereo phase cancellation' sound degradation" ? those statements are not even close but if thats what you hear with Mono vs Stereo & the T2 then so be it.... I personally will agree with you after playng the T2 for s week or so on stage I prefere using Two Powered speakers in Stereo

Oh Boy



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Congratulations Don,

best wishes
rikki

Don.....so tell us hows it going with the new T2 after a few Gigs? did you record with the HD yet 60G /80G ?

Donny: This has remained a quandry for me as well. Individual genetic and/or earing perception differences between people perhaps. Why do some people prefer one style of music or like one color (blue/red) over another? I'm glad that everyone here is happy with their respective PA Systems choices. I certainly am with mine. - Scott

PS: Btw, just received your "Swingin' With the Big Bands" CD you sent me in the mail. Very nice tune selection ... great vocals & impressive sounding Midjay backup. Donny, you certainly knocked it 'out of the park' with your latest CD. Bravo! Scott

Scott.....thanx for the kudos.....It was my pleasure to send my new CD to as my gift to a friend & fellow musician. I hope in the future you will take the time to record your own CD of Songs & share it with us here at the SZ also!

Now back to the topic at hand....
Tonight as an experiment, I only used one Mackie 450 speaker with the T2 at a small Bowling banquet.....no problem to cover the room, BUT I definitly noticed sound degragation especialy in the Live Grand Piano which sounds very thin and dead without any body....amongst others sounds too....there is a big difference to my ears as the night before I used two speakers in stereo...
the T2 depends heavily on Stereo Sampling on many sounds & styles & without using two speakers leaves alot to be desired....Im convinced Now & will be Only using two speakers on jobs with the T2...either my big setup two 450's or on small jobs my little system [2] Bose 161's w/ TRS Ms02 Sub.......I also want to thank Scott Yee for calling me today & discusing some speaker issues I had..its was great to chat with each other while we were both in between gigs & 3000 miles apart


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As you well know, plugging into one Mackie is far different from plugging into a Bose PAS.
I did notice something today though. It seems that the T2 sounds better when plugged into inputs 3 and 4 than it does into 1 and 2. Or maybe it was just my ears.
Anyway, the "phase cancellation" is a non-issue for me.
I am loving the Tyros 2 after a double today. I have another double tomorrow. Maybe by Monday I'll have time to make some more observations.
DonM

Don, bienvenido....al T2 Club!!.

Don...
By plugging into inputs 3 & 4 you are getting the benefit of the flattest of flat, unprocessed signals. The Bose guys say those two chanels are used mostly for CD, MP3 players where the media has already been processed.

If you have your new Ty2 tweaked just the way you want it, I would agree that inputs 3&4 are probably going to satisfy your ears.

What about your mic? Are you running it through the KB or into one of the other inputs on the Bose?

Eddie

Donny:

I agree on the sound degradation using only 1 Mackie. I purchased one to use with my 3000, I was dissappointed and took it back to GC. Yes, it had plenty of power, but running the Logitechs sounded better. I did as Fran had suggested run my Roland KC150 in stereo with the 450. It did come more alive than just being run by itself. I now have on order a Barbetta 31c, but I'm getting the feeling just running one may not give me what I really wantto hear.



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I run the mic into the Tyros and all the processing is done from there.
In fact yesterday I hooked up a small battery-powered 4-channel mixer and ran two mics into it for Dean and me and a nursing home show. Worked like a dream.
DonM

I had the same problem using one speaker with my 3k's also.....Yammys were made for stereo

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So Don, any T2 recordings for us yet?

I have a ton of them on my Jukebox 3. The sound is still out on my new computer. I'm waiting for a new motherboard to come in. I'll transfer some then and try to find time to post.
I've been really busy with several back-to-back doubles.
Maybe tomorrow.
DonM

Ok Don.....no problem we eagerly await