I tried out this keyboard today and was very inpressed.
The sales man told me you dont need to be a pro singer to sound good,even if you cant sing you will sound goog and always intune when using the vocal processer of the G70.

This might be the board that I have been looking for.
Is this statement true because if it is I will go out and buy one?

Regards
Daz

Is the vocal processor your main reason for buying the keyboard ?

I use the psr3000 which I am still very happy to use so really its just the vocal processer that really attracts me to the G-70

The G70's vocal processor is very good but I would imagine that when the salesman says even if you can't sing it will make you sound good is a bit of a sales pitch m8. I'd imagine that you must have some vocal talent and a bit of know how when using the processor to get the best results. The Korgs top end arrangers also have a superb vocal unit in them as does the Tyros 2 when it's set up correctly.
If you want 76 keys then either the Roland or Korg should be great. I can't sing for the life of me but if a salesman said to me this arranger will make your vocals sound great I'd imagine he is only after his sales commission fee lol Ask the salesman if he can sing, if he says NO then ask him to sing into the G70/PA1x pro and see if his voice suddenly sounds great.

Good point Craig

That's some sales pitch. Vocal processors process. Yes, they can do some pitch correction but there is no "perform miracle" setting on them. If there was, there wouldn't be an American Idol show. Garbage-In-Garbage-Out does apply here.

I'll bet the next customer that came in couldn't play and the salesman said "don't worry, this is an arranger, the styles play for you." The next customer was a guitar player, "don't worry, we'll just turn up the distortion"

Hmmm, another (perhaps more feasible) answer by the salesman might be: "Don't worry, this is an arranger, it's got a built in midi file player which plays commerical SMFs, so you can, by simply muting the arranger's keys, fool (more like: deceive ) your listeners into thinking it's you playing the lead keyboard part on the SMF file.

Scott could you elaborate a bit more on this topic? Using SMF w/lyrics/score, custom or commercial is a big part & very strong feature of using an arranger KB....weather you just sing to them, play with them, use them for a band backup or to accomp you on big multitrack arrangement songs that are impossible to play in style mode alone. Playing an arranger vs an acoustic instrument is all part of the fake game in a way .....when you play styles your LEFT hand chords trigger a pattern that the Kb plays the style parts, drums, bass, etc, etc, no one thinks YOUR playing all those parts when they hear a band & see one person playing some kind of electronic device which leads to their thinking Karaoke, Computer, iPOD, CD's, Casio kb or some kind of musical device to generate the sound the audience hears...these are the downfalls to today's audiences perception of a One man band scenario & n today's world this isn't gonna change but get worse .....
Lip syncing, Air guitaring, fake playing & singing is part of the show in many big acts all over the world, eg: Disneyland, Vegas, etc etc the audience knows that BUT they love the Show because its entertaining, Looks good, & Sounds good & that's the bottom line to a paying customer leaving satisfied that they were entertained for an hour or so, feeling good, forgetting their worries, & enjoying their time during the act. An arranger KB is just another musical tool to be used in anyway to generate happiness musically. I find Purist attitudes boring sorry.

The voice processor on the G70 is suppose to be the same as the Discover 5. When I heard the Discover 5 demo, I was impressed, although others on the zone were not. It can make a singer sound, for example, like the Back Street Boys. Make a mans voice sound like a womens, etc, with pitch correction. It won't make a tone deaf person sound good, but the sales guy said, "dont need to be a pro singer to sound good". You would "sound good" NOT professional. I think I can sing, but I don't have a good singing voice, a processor like th G70, could make me "sound good" (acceptable).
Is there a software version of this tool or a module from Roland that is identical to the Discover 5?
Starkeeper

Please pardon my ignorance but hope do these harmonizers work. Do they harmonize the melody you sing following the chords you play on the keyboard?

DNJ, I think you should know by now that It's NOT the use of SMF files itself that's got me pee'd, but when a performer intentionally FAKES playing the "lead keyboard parts", giving the audience the deceptive impression that they're hearing it played live by the performer, when in reality, supplied by the SMF, not them. Call me a purist, but musical honesty & integrity (not deception) rule in my book.

When I play in arranger mode, I mute all auto accomp piano parts, and most other auto accomp tracks as well, except the rhythm section backbone: drums & bass, + perhaps horn/string section backup. My audience always KNOWS exactly what I'm playing on the kb & what is merely supplied by the auto accompaniment (support role window dressing).

Read this thread for more on this topic, including sound advice from our old friend Uncle Dave.

Scott

I've never used one, but yes, exactly the way you said it, BUT, the G70 does that and then some.
Starkeeper

and you need a $3400.00 KB when you mute all these parts defeating all the great sounds of the T2 ?...we are black & white when it comes to playing arrangers & always will...end of discussion on this topic for me.

have fun



[This message has been edited by Dnj (edited 08-16-2006).]

Hey Donny ! When you quoted me (above), you LEFT OUT

"+ perhaps horn/string section backup".



Donny: Don't know what you paid for your T2, but I paid NOTHING even remotely as much as THAT!

I believe my website SONG DEMOS best demonstrates how I play & showcase the sounds of Tyros2. ALL my demo songs posted were performed on Tyros1 and Tyros2 as follows:

Tyros2 Songs:
Crazy Love
Come Running (to me)
You Don't Know Me
This Could Be The Start Of Something Big
Nine Million Bicycles In Beijing
I Get Along Without You Very Well
Nice And Easy
California Here I Come
Corcovado

Tyros1 Songs:
Things We Said Today
Cattle Call
Ring Of Fire
The Coffee Song


- Scott

http://www.musiciansbuy.com/YAMAHA_TYROS2_WORKSTATION_TYROS2KIT.html


Me either Scott.....but I'm sure many have

Well Donny with you telling me you have 400 gigs a year on Skype yesterday, I'm sure you'll soon be trading the 3k up for the T2 again what with all the money you must be making