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#282323 - 02/28/10 03:45 PM Oh My...
DannyUK Offline
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Oh my gosh.. I have just figured out that I can synch midi files witn styles and if I mute the song and allow it to play the style you can do something like play Thriller in an 8beat style and it plays the exact chords and I can lead it in another style altogether... gosh the possibilities are endless!.. that is just so incredible, I am blow away.. sorry i had to share that joy i've never seen anything like it !

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#282324 - 02/28/10 04:00 PM Re: Oh My...
Diki Offline


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Quote:
Originally posted by DannyUK:
Oh my gosh.. I have just figured out that I can synch midi files witn styles and if I mute the song and allow it to play the style you can do something like play Thriller in an 8beat style and it plays the exact chords and I can lead it in another style altogether... gosh the possibilities are endless!.. that is just so incredible, I am blow away.. sorry i had to share that joy i've never seen anything like it !


Interesting... I had heard you could go from SMF to style play in sync with Yamaha's (not Roland's, though) but I had never heard that the SMF could actually trigger the NTA of the arranger side before. That's very cool. You could use it as a 'super Riff' function like Ketron's, but user definable, all kinds of things.

What arranger are you doing this on?
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#282325 - 02/28/10 04:09 PM Re: Oh My...
DannyUK Offline
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OMG Diki, I have just creamed myself.

It's on the T3..

I tell you what I've just done, I've played Thriller using Clubdance2, I muted the tracks 3 and 11 (bass and drums of the midi file), played the rest of the accomp with Clubdance 2 and the results are stunning, truly stunning... I really don't know what to say.. Never seen anything like it..

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#282326 - 02/28/10 05:21 PM Re: Oh My...
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Baker Street (the original) with 70sDisco1, 70sDisco2. Seriously, is this for real? I can make cover versions without even trying...!!!

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#282327 - 02/28/10 06:00 PM Re: Oh My...
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Danny,

You can do the same thing with the PSR-S910.

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#282328 - 02/28/10 06:08 PM Re: Oh My...
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And the PSR-3000.

Gary
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#282329 - 02/28/10 06:09 PM Re: Oh My...
DannyUK Offline
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Hi Ian!

Have you tried it? It's really good isn't it.

I've done an example here, it's bad quality because I've not bothered to mix the volume properly but it's just an example of what can be done, I've also just picked out various styles and not really co-ordinated it properly, as I said just for testing purposes. I think it's really cool anyway even if it's not something new

Danny
Baker%20Street.mp3]http://www.upload-mp3...er%20Street.mp3

[This message has been edited by DannyUK (edited 02-28-2010).]

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#282330 - 02/28/10 09:00 PM Re: Oh My...
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Quote:
Originally posted by DannyUK:
Hi Ian!

Have you tried it? It's really good isn't it.

I've done an example here, it's bad quality because I've not bothered to mix the volume properly but it's just an example of what can be done, I've also just picked out various styles and not really co-ordinated it properly, as I said just for testing purposes. I think it's really cool anyway even if it's not something new

Danny
Baker%20Street.mp3]http://www.upload-mp3...er%20Street.mp3

[This message has been edited by DannyUK (edited 02-28-2010).]


Access denied.
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/159276_mny2k/Baker%20Street.mp3
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#282331 - 03/03/10 09:00 AM Re: Oh My...
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Hi,

Me and a friend search the manual of the Tyros 3 and did no found how to sync a MIDI file to a style.

Can any body share how is done?


Thanks !!!
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#282332 - 03/03/10 01:24 PM Re: Oh My...
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Select a style in the same genre, then select the midi file, press play on the midi file, then press the start/stop button of the style file. Be sure the accompaniment is turned on. The style fill will sync to the midi file. Lots of options for you to select from.

Gary
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#282333 - 03/03/10 01:45 PM Re: Oh My...
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I , even have this, on my PSR-2000 !!!!!

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#282334 - 03/03/10 02:56 PM Re: Oh My...
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I am still not quite getting this. Are you actually feeding a Part from the SMF to the NTA so the MIDI file actually triggers the chords, or are you just playing live the style alongside the SMF and choosing which Parts get heard?

BTW, still can't get at that MP3...
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#282335 - 03/03/10 03:17 PM Re: Oh My...
DannyUK Offline
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Hi Guys!

Sorry the late response I've been busy at work.

It looks like I've not been able to host that file on that place I signed up to so I apologise for that, I'll see if I can find somewhere else.

Diki, to answer your question, you can do either. You can either allow the midi file to drive the style, chords included, or you can play along, it's up to you.

But I must mention that the midi file must contain the chords programmed on display otherwise it won't drive all the parts of the style but only the drums. So in other words, if there are no chords on display it will just sync the drums of the style at the correct tempo, but if they do contain chords it will drive all the parts of the style, that's what I've found anyway.

It can produce some very interesting results!

Danny.

[This message has been edited by DannyUK (edited 03-03-2010).]

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#282336 - 03/03/10 09:00 PM Re: Oh My...
Diki Offline


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Interesting...

I found a way to get to switch between styles and SMF's on the fly as a workaround for Roland's, but short of patching a MIDI cable between the outs and ins and making sure that ONLY the 'control' track got sent through (doable, mind you), Roland's have pretty much ignored this seemingly useful feature (amongst many others, mind you!).

As I said before, this seems like a very easy way to get the Ketron 'Riff' feature on your arranger, where if you want to jam two handed, MC for a while, play a solo on another instrument, etc., while you are still in style mode, something can take over the chord input duties. Better than Ketron, really, because YOU can determine which chords get played.

But I still miss my Chord Sequencer, just because you could lay down that chord progression on the fly, different every time, etc.. But thanks for showing us about a probable little used feature that has quite incredible possibilities...
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#282337 - 03/03/10 09:01 PM Re: Oh My...
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Actually, is there anyone here at SZ that makes heavy use of this ability? I'd love to hear it in action, see how and why you use it, etc..
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#282338 - 03/03/10 09:44 PM Re: Oh My...
hitman Offline
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Registered: 12/03/04
Posts: 325
Loc: VA/ USA
Sounds like something that could replace the chord sequencer! Simply record chord progressions and save it as a song within a registration, than start it when needed. I love the fact that it does not rely on midi cables since I use them for other purposes
(to play a second voice in different harmonic configurations, over midi cables).

I will have to give this a shot on my S910, which I am starting to like more and more.

By the way, has anybody tried to hijack those 5 Extra parts available in the midi settings on yamaha? It seems that there is a possibility to have more than 2 upper parts on the S910. I tried linking the upper 1 to play them, but the issue I am having is that there is no way to change the voices of those internally. I guess a nice external midi controller would do the trick. So how about 7 upper parts on the S910?

[This message has been edited by hitman (edited 03-03-2010).]

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#282339 - 03/03/10 10:57 PM Re: Oh My...
Diki Offline


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Thing is, as long as you can basically get either a style or an SMF in sync start after each other (which you can do to a fashion on the G70), it's not like you actually NEED this feature if you are just looking for a 'riff replacement'. The thing that made the Chord sequencer so awesome was it recorded the changes AS YOU PLAYED THEM, so it was completely interactive, and needed no setting up in advance. By the time you have gone to the bother of creating an SMF with the changes you THINK you might need on them, you might as well just go the whole hog, make a MIDI file of the whole damn thing, and drop Markers in so you can change the arrangement on the fly...

It's a cool feature, but really no substitute for the real thing...
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#282340 - 03/04/10 06:35 PM Re: Oh My...
FransN Offline
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Here is a link of someone playing along with a midifile on a Tyros 3. And to be honest it sound really nice. (only the drums???) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8HNDCg8KQ

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