http://www.musicworldbrilon.de/Keyboard-...are--23664.html

Get it?

Forgive me, Chas, for starting another Audya thread.

Taike

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B-AWARE!

I guess American Rock means different things to different people. Anyway, It was nice to see AJ.

Okay, I know I'm going to get crucified for saying this BUT......using that demo as an example, I'm having a really hard time seeing the MONUMENTAL IMPROVEMENT of the Audya drums and bass over say, a PA1x/2x. In fact, in a 'blind taste test', I'm not sure I'd be able to tell which was which. Now this probably says more about me (and my failings) than it does about the instrument. Maybe my tastes (and hearing) are just less discriminating. My problem is, that even if the drums themselves sound live, it's still not what a 'live' drummer would actually be playing with any given tune. In other words, I'd rather have a good, live drummer playing a (good) electronic drum kit on my tracks than have a good-sounding, well-recorded, but totally 'generic', non-song-specific, audio loop, on my tracks. Just me, I guess. One is human (despite the sound source) and the other is a machine (despite the sound source) and the machine is never going to respond spontaneously to every nuance of your playing like a good, live drummer. So, given that, who cares whether it's a 'midi' drum or an 'audio' drum. In fact, except for who or what triggered the drum sound, what's the difference? I must be missing something. I hope so. If so, by all means, 'splain it to me'.

chas

Just curious, but does this come with OS4 installed, hence the price revision!???

B- ware no matter where you buy it

Sales ranking 10th place at Thoman. http://www.thomann.de/ie/ketron_audya_b_ware.htm

Danny

you B-funny

At least those shops are honest and inform you it's taken in return and box package is broken.
Not all dealers do that, they just sell it as new or maybe as demoed in shop ......
B-Ware or not, Audya still heavy priced ......honesty is priceless.

Cheers
GJ

Good demo. I have edited that style a little, substituting for the distortion guitars and making it a little more old school.
There is also American Rock 2 that I use a lot. AJ didn't do much with the fills and breaks, but they are really great with both those styles. I use one or the other for several CCR songs, but nearly always use one of the short endings and play my own.
It is probably OS3. At least it doesn't sound any different from mine, except for my adjustments.
DonM

Yeah... possibly not the Audya being shown at its' best...

My G70's Rock styles are pretty much indistinguishable from this, but with the one benefit of being able to be easily re-voiced into a different sound altogether with the push of one button

It's amazing how much damage ONE bad demonstrator can do.

Agreed, Diki. Plain Jane deal from start to finish on that one. Why, if this arranger is supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, would they allow a demo like this?

I don't think Ketron have much say over what a dealer puts up on their website. If the dealer wants to shoot themselves in the foot, that's their lookout. I just am starting to find it hard to believe how BAD most demos are today, even many factory ones. I've heard the most Godawful rackets from Roland, Korg, Lionstracs (OMG! those set new lows! ), Wersi, you name it. Only Yamaha seem to grasp the concept that, if people hear a lousy demo, they are going to assume it's a lousy product... after all, 'that's a PROFESSIONAL demonstrating the product, isn't it? If HE can't make it sound good, what chance have I?'

Doesn't stop Ketron's own demos still being pretty amazing, though. Bottom line for me has always been, is HOW much better the Audya sounds worth HOW MUCH more it costs..?

Jury is still out on that one, as far as I am concerned. This pile of poo didn't do anything but muddy the waters.

In view of all that then, Diki, maybe manufacturers should tighten up on their dealers about what those dealers can and can't put out for general consumption. Probably an administrative nightmare that companies don't want to touch, but for the damage done by demos like the one in question here it might be prudent for manufacturers to look at some kind of vetting process.

But that would put the onus on THEM to make them good, and we've all seen how much the budgets for promotion and advertisement have been slashed, lately.

Bit of a downward spiral, that. Produce an uber-expensive product, don't promote it, equals recipe for disaster in any business.

The buzz goes on on here but, in the real world outside of this asylum, Joe Consumer is being asked to dig deep into his wallet for what, for him, doesn't appear to be a particularly brilliant advance in arrangers, if he bites on that demo.

I know Yamaha have been getting away for years dislodging the dough from pockets for less-than-brilliant advances model-to-model, but they know how to sell the sizzle.

At this rate, Ketron, in terms of sales, seem doomed to continue as 'also rans'; and, even then, for how much longer?

Livedrums, guitarloops and sliders, oh my.