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#317642 - 02/25/11 08:11 AM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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I think this melisma thing has gotten out of hand on Idol and other musical shows...melisma can be a great thing, but lately it’s abused more and more by some insensitive, and obviously amateurish, singers.
I suppose those who practise it like to think that this is a sign of their involvement in the song, but, most times there isn't any musical grounds of what they are doing...many times it interferes with the flow of the lyrics, melody, sometimes even the rhythm itself.
It's frequently done just to copy singers like Mariah Carey, and Whitney Houston who indulge in runs.
I think it works great in Gospel music, but to a far lesser extent in Pop tunes.
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#317645 - 02/25/11 08:31 AM
Re: American Idol 2011
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I think this melisma thing has gotten out of hand on Idol and other musical shows...melisma can be a great thing, but lately it’s abused more and more by some insensitive, and obviously amateurish, singers.
I suppose those who practise it like to think that this is a sign of their involvement in the song, but, most times there isn't any musical grounds of what they are doing...many times it interferes with the flow of the lyrics, melody, sometimes even the rhythm itself.
It's frequently done just to copy singers like Mariah Carey, and Whitney Houston who indulge in runs.
I think it works great in Gospel music, but to a far lesser extent in Pop tunes. Ian "Ditto" !
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#317724 - 02/26/11 02:04 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
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#317733 - 02/26/11 02:49 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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#317864 - 02/28/11 03:29 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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#318907 - 03/10/11 03:31 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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Edited by DanO1 (03/10/11 03:34 PM)
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#319480 - 03/16/11 07:24 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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Well, there was nothing else on tonite so I gave AI one more try. It's 9:20 and some girl is about to sing a Taylor Dane song. So far nothing was spectacular at all ... and lots of the first 3 or 4 were terrible. I still don't buy into it. I don't expect us all to like the same stuff, but c'mon .... most of the people I know in local bands are better than this bunch. The only one that I sorta likes was the country kid with the deep voice that looks like Clay Aikin. Again ..... I see nothing to idolize at all. Most of them have terrible pitch, and so far, NO one has shown any real soul at all. I wanted to like something ,,,,, no can do. Sorry guys, not their best stuff.
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#321232 - 04/08/11 12:17 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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OK, I saw a clip this morning on the news showing the horror and disbelief that the AI judges had at the (obviously) wrong tally of votes from the viewers. Sheesh .... this is exactly why I hate this show so much. They criticize the performers in a non-professional way, they criticize the VOTERS (who may or may not be legit), and they express just how wrong it was for poor Pia to be cut while her song-mate ( who made it) is standing right there thinking ... "Oh, I guess they really wanted ME out". What a crock. I'm glad you people are enjoying it, but I still think it's the worst musical show ever...in spite of the (very) few that come out of it with viable careers. It's nothing like a talent show. And, yes ..... why the hell IS Paul in this show at all? I have 3 kids in my school that could send them all home crying, but I'd never support them going on such a farce. It'd be bad for their self esteem, and I'd do everything I could to talk their parents out of it. As a scripted, predicted, entertainment vehicle, I suppose it belongs on TV, but as a true talent show - it's a total lie. Rant over. I wish it stayed out of the news too!
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#321261 - 04/08/11 04:29 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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I sincerely believe the entire voting process is flawed. First and foremost, there should be just one vote per person allowed--NO MULTIPLE VOTING! And, I believe the only reason there is multiple votes allowed is the network loves the hype--"We had 16,000,000 votes tonight--another record!" What bull$hit! Does anyone really believe that 16-million individual votes were cast? I would wager some serious money that some computer hacker has figured out a way to cast thousands upon thousands of votes using his or her PC, and provided the program to their friends to do the same. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong--but I don't think so. Additionally, each season for the past five seasons, some of the worst talent on the planet seems to stick around forever. C'mon! No one, even those with a half of a brain, would cast a vote for some of them. The votes were cast just to cause a problem, which in many instances, caused someone with real talent to end up being voted out of the competition when in reality they should have stayed. I, for one, am really pissed about the entire show and the process. It will be the last season for me--that's for sure! Gary
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#321293 - 04/09/11 08:19 AM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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By next season, there will be 3 or more of these psuedo-talent shows on TV. Maybe it will be good for the overall structure of the shows, as only the strong shall survive. Simon, AI, Cee-Lo, and ??? OMG - TV is rushing downhill fast, and it's taking some of the dignity of the business I love so much with it. I know Show Biz is all about glitz, but without humility and humanity, it looses alot. As I grow older and see more through the eyes of my young, impressionable students ... the more I think the entertainment world needs to focus on real life and not the ratings. A real singer will be found without YouTube, Ellen or these silly shows that claim to be fair judges of talent. Being blessed with a voice is only one small part of the equation ... the drive and heart is what MAKES a true performer, and these shows are doing everything in their power to destroy that very thing.
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#321450 - 04/10/11 09:37 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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#322582 - 04/22/11 08:11 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: DanO1]
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I cant wait for his new show the Xfactor to start... Careful what you wish for there DNJ. You might just get it! We have had X-Factor for a number of years now, and it is no better than American Idol - or Pop-Idol as we called it here. It's the same thing with a wider catchment of ages. They allow groups too. It's just more crazies to sift through before we get to the good guys n gals. Even then, the winner disappears for a year and brings out a single in-time for next Christmas, just when the new series of X-Factor is due to finish. The new winner gets their winning single out for Xmas, and it always gets number one, unless as happened two years ago, an internet campaign is started to block it. Normally the previous years winner just dissapears unless they actually are really talented like Leona Lewis.
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#322588 - 04/22/11 09:52 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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#322609 - 04/23/11 10:01 AM
Re: American Idol 2011
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I thought James Durbin was the winner Tuesday night, with Casey Abrams a close second. The judges were somewhat tough on Scotty McCreery, but when he was singing that LeAnn Rimes song, my wife and I looked at each other, and said "WOW".
Overall, IMO, this particular American Idol episode was one of the most memorable TV shows ever. When you reach the final 7 they are ALL great, and the show just flowed at an entertaining pace, with very little chit-chat, and the contestants were there to sing, and this show allowed then to do just that, without a lot of dead air time.
I also believe the judges are better than ever. Who can NOT like J-Lo, and Steven Tyler has been a pleasant surprise. I for one do not miss Simon and Paula for one second. These 'new' judges can be critical, without being arrogant
Remember to the young...NOW is the good ol' days...so hop on board the bandwagon, you may even enjoy it.
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#322642 - 04/23/11 07:27 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
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#322693 - 04/24/11 04:10 PM
Re: American Idol 2011
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OMG! I'm Uncle Dave's idol?! My Idols: Tower of POWER!!!!!! Yep, the Tower of Power Band is a legend , especially here in the San Francisco Bay Area as they hail from Oakland,CA. Interestingly enough though, I've just learned from a local musician who remembers the 70's, who told me that one prominent band member from the original Tower Of Power Band definitely couldn't be there to sign Uncle Dave's guitar, yet he was the lead vocalist on TOP's hits: "You're Still A Young Man" and "Sparkling In The Sand". The TOP lead vocalist was Rick Stevens (aka: Donald Stevenson). In addition to his musical accomplishments, Rick Stevens was also known for committing one of the most notorious crimes in the San Francisco Bay Area in the Seventies, in which he and an accomplice murdered three drug dealers to whom he had owed money. He was given a double life sentence, in which he had to serve a 25-year minimum. Interesting to note that he was high on drugs (I assume supplied by those drug dealers) when he committed that act. It's been several years since he served the 25 year minimum, and the authorities haven't let him out. Ironic that Rick Stevens is 'no longer' a young man. Here are the articles I found on the subject: East Bay Express (2002) begins: 3rd paragraph Rick Stevens The Double Murderer
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