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Hello Playmates.

We are having real problems with retaining data in our KN7000.

We are setting the EQ and EQ Parameters , then 'EQ On', next setting the 7 footswitch assignments, setting 'On' , then going to Data Protection and 'Save'.

Almost any time we put music or styles by others into the Keyboard, all those settings we saved are changed, and the EQ goes back to 'Flat'.

Yesterday we bought a set of disks from Neil Blake (The complete set of styles for all 101 songs in '101 Hits for Buskers' - Book 1), and on loading each disk (of 5) all the footswitch assignments change.

Do you think this is because those assignments were saved on the keyboard when the styles were originally recorded, or do we have a fault on on our KN7000?

I have not posed this question to my Guru, as he makes all his own styles, and hates 'ready made' ones - Sorry, Bill !!
In this case I felt that we 'lesser mortals' who depend on ready made styles may well have the answer, and have experienced this problem.

Tearing hair out here, so suggestions, please.

Regards,

John

Later Edit .....I Have just rung and had a pleasant chat with Neil, and he agrees with my thoughts, and that is - when anything is saved to Panel Memories, it is a 'Complete Picture' of the Keyboard and its settings, which would include the footswitch assignments on the originating machine. Also - he uses a flat EQ intentionally, as everyones hearing and ideas of EQ are different. This would explain why our keyboard goes back to flat EQ.

Looks like we will be selling our Technics Multi Footswitch Board on Ebay, and using the controls manually, on the keyboard by 'Handraulics' rather than 'Pediraulics' !!

J


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HiJohn
I have just tried my KN7000 with the Busker Heaven loaded and it doesn't change my setting on the EQ.
I.E. I started with on flat and off. Changed it to Radio and ON.
Pressed the 'Set' button and page 2 and swithched the EQ to on.
This setting remained on even when I loaded the 'Busker Heaven' until I put it back to 'flat'
Hope this is of some help.

Regards
Peter B

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Hi Peter

Thanks for the super-quick response! .... Wondering what 'Page 2' you are referring to - I don't have a page 2 on the EQ Page. Do you mean ... Go to 'Data Protection' where there is also no page 2 ?

Sorry if I am a bit 'goofy' - I am at a funny age, you know !!

Would you like to PM me your Landline No, and take us through it. (My calls are all free 24/7).

Off topic - the 'Busker Heaven' appears to be a great buy, and this is so frustrating !!

Kind regards,

John

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Hi John,

Have you checked the Panel Memory MODE Settings ?

Press and hold the Blue button in the middle of the Panel Memory circle. When the display changes, Select EXPND MODE and go to Page 2 of 2.

In the Expand Mode, have you turned off the Footswitch and EQ options ???

Hi John.
Press and hold the 'Set' button in the middle of the Panel Memories.
This will bring up the 'normal'- 'expand' page. This is where you will find page 2. Press the 'page' button this will take you into page 2 which is the 'Expand Mode Filter' page.
On this page you will see 2 lists of filter settings.
Scroll down the right hand list to the Equaliser and make sure it is set to 'on'
This should now hold that setting.

I will send you my mobile number

Regards
Peter B.

IMPORTANT : You also need to have the PANEL MEMORY EXP. FILTER in the Data Protection screen set to 'ON' otherwise the settings will NOT be maintained when loading a file with different settings. This applies to the Footswitch, Equaliser and indeed any other settings within the Expand Mode.

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Bill and Peter,

Thank you so very much for the 'destructions'. Sadly at this moment 'herself' is having her nightly Brit-fix - always watches 'Heartbeat', then 'Monarch of the Glen' every evening - we have to educate these Americans ! After that its my turn to watch 'The Apprentice', so that is this evening gone.

I will put your instructions to practical use tomorrow morning, and report back. I hope that others may have learned something too from this thread, my dilemma, and the solution (hopefully!).

Once again - a thousand thanks,

John

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No problems John I always used to watch these two programs and enjoyed them. Sadly, only repeats available now since their demise
Let us know how you get on with the KN7000 Settings......

Hello John,

Your problem suggests to me that you haven't 'protected' the footswitch settings.

To do this press the CUSTOMISE button (bottom right of keyboard. It will take you to the Customise Menu where there are several options listed, including DATA PROTECTION. Press this button which will take you to the DATA PROTECTION page where there are further options.

My own KN7 has FOOT CONTROLLER and PANEL MEMORY EXP. FILTER both set to 'ON' and the rest are all set to 'OFF' but I think you will probably need the TOTAL EQUALIZER set to 'ON'

I may have misunderstood your problem, but take a look at this facility, it may be of help to you anyway.

Good luck!

Audrey

.....and that's exactly what I suggested above

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Thanks too, Audrey.

Nice to have confirmation of others opinions - in fact - I always ask for a second opinion these days.

Somebody told me I was 'Nuts' last week - I asked my wife for a second opinion and she confirmed it!

Still not got round to getting at the keyboard yet(I have to do all my 'jobs' first!) ... Its 'bin day'
today so have to go out and get that in - then 'Veg prep' for dinner this evening, and I am set to go !!

I think Sunny will be doing the keyboard, but will report back when the settings suggested are done and proven.

Regards

John

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Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear !!

Peter B and I have just had about an hour on the telephone - both sitting at our KN7000's, and have been together through the required settings, and guess what? !!! Its still the same !!
One clue - If I set it all up as per instructions, load up a style disk, then go to the EQ Page, where the Orange square is lit up and
saying 'on' - as soon as I touch any number on the panel memory ring, it goes to 'Off'. We then tried the same disk on Peters KN7000
and his does the same !!! Hmmmmm - Next idea please !!! I think there is surely a 'glitch' somewhere !!

Kind regards,

John

HiJohn

Check your e mail.
I think I have cracked the puzzle.
I re-read the workshop again.

Peter B

Sorry Bill, I guess I didn't read the posts properly, BUT as the saying goes: "Too much information is better than none"

Hope you're keeping well.

Audrey

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Thanks Bill and Peter,

Off-stage, behind the scenes here, they have been helping this old fart with just one remaining functioning brain cell to get my problem sorted.

A couple of posts back Bill wrote ... "In the Expand Mode, have you turned off the Footswitch and EQ options ???"

So where did I get my wires crossed and was sure I had to set them 'ON" ????? That was all the problem was, and what a nightmare !!! In the Army we called it 'Self Inflicted Wounds'.

I am now going for a long lie down in a darkened room !!

Thanks folks,

John

Glad you got it sorted John.

The Data Protection section is a bit confusing because normally, if you didn't want something to work you would naturally turn it 'off' but in this case you do want your set to work as 'saved' therefore the protection must be 'on' ....

Confused? - so was I, and still am at times.

Audrey

Hi.
As I see it, the Data protection is there to protect your own work that you do on the keyboard and to follow this up the expand filters are set also to save your own work.
If you are using and inputting other peoples files then the appropriate filters need to be off if you wish to not change your own set ups e.g. on E.Q and Tempo etc.
And now probably thats more confusing than ever.

Regards
Peter

Then to confuse things more, you have the Extended Filter that comes into play. It still confuses me.

Bill
For the impaired, could you make a concise general rule ?

OK Bernie

Since there seems to be some confusion about the settings in the KN7000 with reference to keeping particular parameter configurations,
when a new file is loaded from Disk or SD Card, maybe the following will help.....

The settings in Panel Memory Expand Mode determine which parameters may be changed, as you select different Panel Memory buttons.
Setting an option to OFF, will prevent any changes being made to the selected Parameter, when you press the P.M. buttons, during playing.
However, when you load a new 'Song' file from Disk or SD, which contains the 'Panel Memory' and/or 'Current Panel' components (which you can see on the LOAD display), the Load operation can overwrite some of the Panel Memory settings, to comply with the settings which were applied, when the Disk or SD card file was originally saved. You may or may not wish this to happen!

To prevent this happening - as in the case in question here, the EQ and Footswitch settings - you need to use the Data Protection facility.
The Data Protection settings are held in 'Flash' memory - similar to that used by the KN7000's 'Custom Memory' and the SD Card - so they will not be affected by power-down. These particular settings will only change if you alter them deliberately - just like the SD Cards and the Custom Memory content.

In short, if you wish to prevent Disk or SD Load operations altering your favourite settings, then set the appropriate 'Data Protection' Options to 'ON', (Press 'Customise' > 'Data Protection' > Select and Set Parameter > Press OK) AND, in the 'Panel Memory Expand Mode', set the options you wish to protect, to 'OFF'

Thank you Bill
I got it.

Well Done Bill.
A very good explanation.

Peter B.