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#378948 - 12/21/13 07:08 AM OT: How Musicians are Treated
Bill Lewis Offline
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I just read a post over at the Keyboard Corner forum ( I got thrown off there after my first post- long story-but I can still read the topics ) I know we can all relate to this story.
A guy goes to do a trio gig at a multimillion dollar mansion and is treated like garbage. Told he had to arrive and hour early, would be given no food or drink, stuck under a staircase in this gigantic room, couldn't mingle with the guests and had to go to a back bedroom on his breaks. He needed the money but an interesting reply to the topic said theres an inverse relationship between the level of venue an how your treated. How true.
When I first started working at a local CC we were told we had to stay in a back foyer on our breaks and were offered nothing while there. Eventually we became the house band and friendly with a lot of the members. Had a run of 8 years and outlasted 5 managers.
Yesterday I did a double. 2 hr Senior Center and they partied their butts off. The director gave me a $50 tip-unheard of in this type of venue. I also was given lunch. Last night I did the local VFW. 4 hour bar type gig but there are a lot of dancers who meet there so its everything from bar music to Ballroom. Drinks are free and the guy in kitchen even came out to make sure I got something to eat.
I think people who are down to earth and work for a living are more hospitable. My other conclusion is about the really well off. Old money is very gracious and generous. Sounds like Capt. Russ knows about this. New money, which is what this guys gig sounded like, are pretentious. I also experienced this in my past bartending gig at a CC where your really got to know people.
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#378958 - 12/21/13 08:08 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
tony mads usa Offline
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Bill ... funny you mention this ... I have been playing gigs at a few senior independent living places for a number of years ... the folks that hire me are very friendly and hospitable and usually call me to see what dates I have open before setting the date for their parties ... however, they have never asked me if I wanted anything to eat or drink ... I bring my own bottles of water and seldom eat during a gig anymore - the days of having big prime rib dinners when we were the wedding house band at a catering hall are long gone for me - ... at one of my Christmas gigs this year, one of the residents actually came up to me and asked if he could get me something to eat ... I thought that was both very thoughtful and interesting ...

As for CCs, I am sure all of us who have played weddings etc. in some of these places have experienced times when the bridal couple paid for full dinners for the band and we were served ham and cheese sandwiches ...
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#378959 - 12/21/13 08:18 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
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I'm sure most people have heard the story of the famous pianist (Horowitz, maybe -- Diki, a little help here smile ) who was booked to play a super high society gig. When asked his fee, he responded, $2000.00. Fine, said the hostess, but admonished him not to mingle with the guests. He responded, "In that case, the fee is $1000.00".

chas
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#378962 - 12/21/13 08:56 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
Bachus Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
I just read a post over at the Keyboard Corner forum ( I got thrown off there after my first post- long story-but I can still read the topics ) I know we can all relate to this story.
A guy goes to do a trio gig at a multimillion dollar mansion and is treated like garbage. Told he had to arrive and hour early, would be given no food or drink, stuck under a staircase in this gigantic room, couldn't mingle with the guests and had to go to a back bedroom on his breaks. He needed the money but an interesting reply to the topic said theres an inverse relationship between the level of venue an how your treated. How true.
When I first started working at a local CC we were told we had to stay in a back foyer on our breaks and were offered nothing while there. Eventually we became the house band and friendly with a lot of the members. Had a run of 8 years and outlasted 5 managers.
Yesterday I did a double. 2 hr Senior Center and they partied their butts off. The director gave me a $50 tip-unheard of in this type of venue. I also was given lunch. Last night I did the local VFW. 4 hour bar type gig but there are a lot of dancers who meet there so its everything from bar music to Ballroom. Drinks are free and the guy in kitchen even came out to make sure I got something to eat.
I think people who are down to earth and work for a living are more hospitable. My other conclusion is about the really well off. Old money is very gracious and generous. Sounds like Capt. Russ knows about this. New money, which is what this guys gig sounded like, are pretentious. I also experienced this in my past bartending gig at a CC where your really got to know people.


This is not about how rich people trait musicians..

But about how some rich people trait anyone else less fortunate.
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#378965 - 12/21/13 09:04 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Generally speaking, I've always been treated very, very well by ALL of my clients - rich and not so rich. The rich ones just own bigger boats than I have. But I get to be the captain, both when I'm at the helm on the boat, and when sitting behind the keyboard and singing. wink

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#378977 - 12/21/13 09:53 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
DonM Offline
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Can't say I've ever been treated poorly at a private event. It's like you're a guest that happens to play and sing.
I think people in the South are different though. Yankees are mean by nature.
Now, that oughta start some #$%^@! smile
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#378994 - 12/21/13 12:30 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: DonM]
tony mads usa Offline
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Originally Posted By: DonM
Can't say I've ever been treated poorly at a private event. It's like you're a guest that happens to play and sing.
I think people in the South are different though. Yankees are mean by nature.
Now, that oughta start some #$%^@! smile


Yeah we are... so what you gonna do about it ?!?!? duel


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Edited by tony mads usa (12/21/13 12:30 PM)
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#378996 - 12/21/13 12:33 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Loc: Penn Yan, NY
Soo .... a fabulous musician dies and goes to heaven. Greeted by St Pete at the gates, he explains that he brought joy to thousands of listeners during his time on earth, so St Peter invites him through the pearly gates. As the musician enters, St Peter says - "we're glad to have you here, now can you bring that crap in through the kitchen?"
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#379000 - 12/21/13 12:47 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Uncle Dave,

I loved the chuckle you shared :-)

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#379005 - 12/21/13 01:18 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Registered: 02/04/01
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It will be harder for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God than a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle. This includes me, and I ain't even rich!
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#379015 - 12/21/13 02:19 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: cgiles]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14266
Loc: NW Florida
Originally Posted By: cgiles
I'm sure most people have heard the story of the famous pianist (Horowitz, maybe -- Diki, a little help here smile ) who was booked to play a super high society gig. When asked his fee, he responded, $2000.00. Fine, said the hostess, but admonished him not to mingle with the guests. He responded, "In that case, the fee is $1000.00".

chas


Hadn't heard that one before, but I might add it to my fee negotiating skills!
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#379044 - 12/21/13 05:02 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: DonM]
captain Russ Offline
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7305
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
Whenever I'm contacted for a playing gig or any of my day work, I visit the venue (or business) and watch:

* How the management treats the employees.
* How the customers treat the employees.

I make my decision based on how people are treated.

Once, I was contacted by a private new "snoot" club, located at the top of a bank. The "entertainment chairman" called to ask me to work (I had been recommended by several of the founding members, whom I knew), and began to describe all the rules (come thru the back door, don't address the members unless they talk first, don't sit with members unless invited....all that junk).

I laughed, pulled out my membership card (corporate-I wouldn't have voluntarily paid money to be a part of this circus), dropped it on the table and left.

JERKS!

Russ


Edited by captain Russ (12/21/13 05:03 PM)

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#379048 - 12/21/13 05:31 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: DonM]
btweengigs Offline
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Registered: 09/09/02
Posts: 2204
Loc: Florida, USA
Originally Posted By: DonM
I think people in the South are different though. Yankees are mean by nature.


Well...I'm about as far south as you can get. Back in my wedding band days we played at the PGA National CC (you've probably heard of it). We were playing just one of eight parties in the clubhouse one night. Among other restrictive instructions we had, we were told on our breaks to go behind the false walls which were like a secret passage way from the kitchen to each of the ballrooms.
No eating. No drinking. No talking with guests. No chairs. Just stand and wait til time to go back on.

So...these seemingly rude requests were at a southern venue.... owned by YANKEES. (I guess DonM is right...Yankees seem to be mean by nature. Nah...it was just business as usual at places like this.)

Still in all...good memories and very good paychecks.

Eddie

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#379120 - 12/22/13 06:42 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: cgiles]
Mark79100 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: cgiles
The famous pianist, Horowitz,who was booked to play a super high society gig. When asked his fee, he responded, $2,000.00. Fine, said the hostess, but admonished him not to mingle with the guests. He responded, "In that case, the fee is $1,000.00".
chas


That was so good......I fell out of my seat laughing! rotfl

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#379125 - 12/22/13 07:59 PM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
Tom Cavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 12/06/99
Posts: 2133
Loc: Muskegon, MI
About 20 years ago our band was booked to play at a cc in Grand Rapids, Mi. We got all set up and went to the bar to BUY a drink. We didn't expect anything free. The bartender told us we couldn't get a drink there because we weren't members. The band leader said if we aren't good enough to drink there we aren't good enough to play there. We started to pack up and leave. One of the members who followed our band for years asked what we were doing and our band leader told him. He went right to the bar and said whatever these boys want give them and put it on my tab.
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#379291 - 12/24/13 07:50 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
Bill Lewis Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
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Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA
Interesting video on the subject :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC7KQSdxR0
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#379296 - 12/24/13 08:17 AM Re: OT: How Musicians are Treated [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Registered: 02/04/01
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Loc: Fruita, Colorado, USA
Originally Posted By: Bill Lewis
Interesting video on the subject :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC7KQSdxR0


Bill no offense to you man, but I find these studies done by some of the supposedly smartest people in the word hilarious. I wonder how much this study cost and how many people were involved to discover what Jesus said long ago. Ha ha! "There's more joy in giving than in receiving." What they discovered about rich people so on and so forth.

I'd bet my right arm that if they did a study on "FAT" people that they would discover that they are heavier than "SKINNY" people! Ya reckon?
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