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#381030 - 01/09/14 04:01 PM Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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Hi Guys,

I just Like this song so much i just wanted to play it this way its not perfect but its awesome to do
and i just wanted to share it with you smile
I wish you @ll A Super New year with lots Of Music
Thanks for @ll your Support The last Year realy look forward to the new year with you @LL
Greetz My Friends smile

Rico wave


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#381034 - 01/09/14 05:00 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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RICO ... simply beautiful and beautifully simple ... clap
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#381035 - 01/09/14 05:04 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Bravo! clap
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#381037 - 01/09/14 05:12 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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That was wonderful!
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#381042 - 01/09/14 06:13 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: montunoman]
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Man, I have spent many an hour listening to this one - seemed like when it was released it was on every station in the USA.

Great job and I sure wish i had your hand dexterity when I play a real guitar. LOL

Bill G

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#381044 - 01/09/14 06:43 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: billyhank]
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clap headphone clap

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#381050 - 01/10/14 12:02 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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This was one of the first songs I tried to learn when I was a teenager playing the guitar and I remember spending many hours with my ear glued to my gramophone, trying to understand what the heck was going on... Learning those beautiful licks was really an eye-opener and led to further developments, musically speaking.
Your rendition is really beautiful and made me feel like recording this song; I hope to do that within the next months (I have already a waiting list in my mind).
Thanks for the memories and also the inspiration.
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#381051 - 01/10/14 12:12 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Brilliant

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#381054 - 01/10/14 02:51 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Very nice... great skills..

Love the song.
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#381062 - 01/10/14 06:16 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Awesome!

Encore!! clap


Thanks for the music,
Dan
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#381071 - 01/10/14 07:16 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Hi Rico.
It's a wonderful melody, really nice and enthusiastic playing.
Also it's great to see that's not only the "old farts" generation who like to play the "golden oldies". smile
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#381073 - 01/10/14 07:19 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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So Rico will part 2 have the added Vocals?... confused1

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#381082 - 01/10/14 08:42 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: big741.1]
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A magnificent rendering of a great old standard. What a talent you have! We all wait for the next song you put together wondering how it could be better than the last one, but it is. Was the background style one that you had built or just one that is on the T4?

Dick

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#381246 - 01/12/14 02:43 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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My Friends Thank you so much for the overwhelming reply's
i didnt expect that :)verry cool !!

I Love Old SOngs They Are The Best :)))

Dick
its not a style in the keyboard

And DNJ i am still deciding what i wil try because trust me it wil be verry hard for me but i certainly gonna try it hehehe
dont be disapointed when i am not succeeding in it ill let you know :))

Have a nice Sunday smile Greetz Rico wave

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#381248 - 01/12/14 05:16 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Originally Posted By: KeyBTyros
And DNJ i am still deciding what i wil try because trust me it wil be verry hard for me but i certainly gonna try it hehehe
dont be disappointed when i am not succeeding in it ill let you know :))


Rico Thank you,...I'll bet after you sing & play one song many many more will follow wink ....the voice & the fingers work together in magical ways headphone

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#381256 - 01/12/14 10:08 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: big741.1]
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Nice work Rico you used the acoustic very well esp in left hand good flavor here.
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#381776 - 01/18/14 08:30 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Hi Dnj,

That could be possible lets hope so :))

Hi Musicforyourday
Thank you my friend for noticing that, makes me happy you heard that smile

Have a nice weekend guys smile
Speak to you soon
Greetz Rico wave

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#381783 - 01/18/14 09:54 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Hi Dnj,
That could be possible lets hope so :))


Fingers crossed ... I KNOW YOU can do it buddy!

good luck.. keys

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#381787 - 01/18/14 10:11 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: Dnj]
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For those of us who 'grew up' singing and playing an instrument at the same time, it seems very natural ... but to someone who hasn't done it, I understand it can be daunting and confusing at first ...

Rico - a suggestion - when you first try it, if you haven't already, try playing just left hand chord changes with the style as you sing ... don't be concerned about playing anything with your right hand ... that will come as you get used to it ...
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#381823 - 01/18/14 01:22 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Ditto! I still do that a lot, Tony - I let my vocals become my right hand. Keep in mind that there are some on this forum that complain Yamaha's styles are too busy, yet these are the same people that can't seem to keep their right hand still whilst singing - Amazing how that is!

Gary cool


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#381834 - 01/18/14 01:58 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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you have to know when to comp & when and how to lead with the right hand when your singing~!!

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#381836 - 01/18/14 02:02 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Yeah, right! wink

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#381842 - 01/18/14 02:14 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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That's the perfect way to use the Chord Sequencer...

You sing the song first verse and chorus while the CS tracks the chords. I usually play piano during this, with full chord recognition and BassInv on, I now have everything I need in the CS to solo my brains out, two handed.
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#381844 - 01/18/14 02:18 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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BTW, one feature I've yet to see on arrangers that would be way cool is, if you pick say a piano to play, the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever.

Generally, YOU play it, you don't need the arranger playing it too! But you never know what sound you feel like using, if you are just improvising, so you can't set the arranger's Part Mute up for it. Different sounds need different tracks muted.

An automatic parameter to do this would be awesome!
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#381849 - 01/18/14 02:30 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Now, that would be a neat feature, Diki.

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#381850 - 01/18/14 02:40 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: travlin'easy]
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I agree also, Diki ...
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#381868 - 01/18/14 04:21 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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I set up quite a few of my styles (especially jazz ballads) so that one variation (usually C) will have the piano parts played with two hands so when I solo over it with some sort of lead voice, it sounds a little more realistic.

I generally don't concern myself too much with shutting off a guitar part while using a guitar as solo instrument, because I'm generally using a different type of guitar, and quite often bands have more than one guitarist...two piano players not so much.

The volume pedal set to control only the Right Hand voices is a very useful tool, especially if you are comping behind a singer.

Ian
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#381874 - 01/18/14 05:18 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Super, Super job on a beautiful tune. Thanks for posting ! Encore!
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#381883 - 01/18/14 10:30 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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I have a work around on the G70, but it doesn't work on the BK-9.

In the arranger Mixer, there's an icon that shows what each Part is playing. And all you have to do is touch that icon, and it mutes the Part. So, it's fairly easy to see if there's an acoustic piano, sax, organ, whatever in the style, then when I select a Tone that I can see there's an style part for, presto! Mute the sucker!

BK-9 doesn't have the icons, so I generally don't know what each arranger Part is playing.

But it would be amazing if the darn arranger would do it for you!
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#381888 - 01/18/14 11:59 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Diki, I'm almost certain I remember having an arranger that did that. Maybe either a Technics or Ketron. Maybe I dreamed it but I don't think so!
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#381889 - 01/19/14 12:13 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
BTW, one feature I've yet to see on arrangers that would be way cool is, if you pick say a piano to play, the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever.

Generally, YOU play it, you don't need the arranger playing it too! But you never know what sound you feel like using, if you are just improvising, so you can't set the arranger's Part Mute up for it. Different sounds need different tracks muted.

An automatic parameter to do this would be awesome!


Dont you prefer being in controll? Ie deciding for yourself if you want this, or not? I know enough syles with a piano track, that sound still great when you play solo piano on top of that...

Just use the slider (set to style parts volume) by hand if you want to mute a track, gives you full controll..
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#381890 - 01/19/14 12:27 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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I guess I was thinking about the Intelligent Arranger on Audya. The keyboard can read what you are playing and learns what you are doing, then adds riffs, drum accents, etc. to it as the style plays. Once you start playing a solo, these parts are automatically muted to prevent sounding too busy.
However, if they can do all that, it would seem to be really easy to do what Diki is talking about and mute Grand Piano (for example) when you play a ride using the same Grand Piano voice.
I'll bet AJ could make it do that!

I almost forgot to comment on the great performance by Rico! Thanks so much for sharing your talent!
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#381892 - 01/19/14 01:28 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By: tony mads usa
For those of us who 'grew up' singing and playing an instrument at the same time, it seems very natural ... but to someone who hasn't done it, I understand it can be daunting and confusing at first ...


Speaking for myself, it took me about a year before I was able to sing while playing (accordion). Then another year, before I was able to put in “fills” and do good “backing arrangements” on the spot. Than another year to learn to play an arranger…..horizontal keyboard and left hand chord formation! Also another year before I could sing comfortably with it. Then an additional year to learn the piano (the horizontal keyboard and putting two hands together was confusing for me).

I was always a good musician, but...a SLOW learner! I’m wondering how many of you had the same problems with singing and playing at the same time? Or switching keyboard instruments?

Mark

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#381898 - 01/19/14 02:26 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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The Tyros4's style part on/off screen has icons for each instrument (and a light that comes on under it when it's being played)...a bit helpful, for sure...if I can remember to shut that part off.

What I also have done with some styles, and instead of replacing the string/synth pads, is to turn up (volume) those particular parts, rather than use a pad/string sound in my left hand which tends sometimes to sound too dense and/or muddy.

Quite often these style pad parts default at a volume a bit too low for my liking. Once I get a mix that works, I'll re-program and store the style with those settings.

Now that our instruments have basically unlimited storage, and, if you don't mind doing a little more planning ahead, the shutting off of style parts can be accomplished even easier by programming a set of eight registrations to accomplish that function for that particular style and/or song.

Ian
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#381899 - 01/19/14 02:34 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: Mark79100]
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Originally Posted By: Mark79100

[ I’m wondering how many of you had the same problems with singing and playing at the same time? Or switching keyboard instruments?


I haven't done a lot of lead singing, but I've generally sung harmony quite often in a group.

I tend to treat it like it's choreography between my hand movements on the keys and the words/lines I'm singing, and after performing the tunes enough times, it becomes second nature.

Ian
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#381903 - 01/19/14 04:24 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Please Ian spare us the embarrassment of you singing as well on SZ, I just couldn't take it, there are enough already without you starting the cats chorus. If you must try this one for size, ehhhh ahhhhh.



Edited by Tony Hughes (01/19/14 04:28 AM)
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#381906 - 01/19/14 04:59 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Hey, Tony, don't be pickin' on an "old Rocker' like me...
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#381939 - 01/19/14 09:02 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: ianmcnll]
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Originally Posted By: ianmcnll
The Tyros4's style part on/off screen has icons for each instrument (and a light that comes on under it when it's being played)...a bit helpful, for sure...if I can remember to shut that part off.

What I also have done with some styles, and instead of replacing the string/synth pads, is to turn up (volume) those particular parts, rather than use a pad/string sound in my left hand which tends sometimes to sound too dense and/or muddy.

Quite often these style pad parts default at a volume a bit too low for my liking. Once I get a mix that works, I'll re-program and store the style with those settings.

Now that our instruments have basically unlimited storage, and, if you don't mind doing a little more planning ahead, the shutting off of style parts can be accomplished even easier by programming a set of eight registrations to accomplish that function for that particular style and/or song.

Ian

Similar sort of thing on a Korg, Ian. Just touch the mute button on individual tracks on the mixer screen - or pull back on a slider.

Playing and singing, I got thrown in at the deep end when our singer didn't show up one night and the song binder was stuck in front of me. Took to it like a duck to water. That's over 45 years ago and I've never looked back.

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#381940 - 01/19/14 09:21 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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That's about what happened to me. Singer didn't show and we wanted to get paid. I was pretty bad. I'm less bad now.
I have learned to fool some people but have no illusions of being more than competent!
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#381952 - 01/19/14 11:15 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
BTW, one feature I've yet to see on arrangers that would be way cool is, if you pick say a piano to play, the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever.

Generally, YOU play it, you don't need the arranger playing it too! But you never know what sound you feel like using, if you are just improvising, so you can't set the arranger's Part Mute up for it. Different sounds need different tracks muted.

An automatic parameter to do this would be awesome!


Don't you prefer being in control? i.e deciding for yourself if you want this, or not? I know enough styles with a piano track, that sound still great when you play solo piano on top of that...

Just use the slider (set to style parts volume) by hand if you want to mute a track, gives you full control..


I don't imagine a feature like this wouldn't have an on/off control. But when you are improvising (sure, know exactly what you are doing, easy enough to do this with OTS or whatever), you simply don't KNOW what the next sound is.

But I see it as simpler than selecting the sound, then looking at the Style Mixer to see if a similar sound is being used, figure out what track it is on, then have to go and pull down that fader (and put it back exactly where it was when you select the next sound).

Simplicity is what we arranger players want, isn't it? LOL
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#381955 - 01/19/14 12:52 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: DonM]
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That's about what happened to me. Singer didn't show and we wanted to get paid. I was pretty bad. I'm less bad now.
I have learned to fool some people but have no illusions of being more than competent!


A man needs to know his limitation Don... guitar
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#382085 - 01/20/14 03:52 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: Diki]
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Originally Posted By: Diki
... the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever.


Nice feature on the Korg arrangers (PA series, at least ...) the assignable buttons can turn off the bass part, or the arranger tracks with one quick push.

There are 3 buttons on the PA900 - I have them configured to do it this way:
#1 turns the LH sound (manual bass) ON
#2 turns the acc bass OFF
#3 turns all the arranger tracks (1-5) OFF

This way ... even during a song, I can switch modes with ease and a quick button push arranges the keys the way I need. I will often switch off all arranger tracks in small, quiet rooms ... too much fluff for a background situation, sometimes. These 3 buttons are a great tool for me. LOVE 'em!
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#382087 - 01/20/14 08:56 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Roland has a nice feature that automatically calls up a subdued version of the style. Korg is very easy to mute individual parts by hand.
But we're talking about a feature that would automatically mute the piano part in a style when you select that same piano for a right-hand solo part. Or same with guitar or any other sound.
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#382089 - 01/20/14 09:30 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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I liked the way you could mute individual tracks on the old Korg i30, an on/off button below each slider. Mix'n'match at will.

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#382090 - 01/20/14 09:50 PM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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Very, very nice!!!!! clap
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#382148 - 01/21/14 11:49 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
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There are some cool tricks you can do with the Roland BK9's...

You not only get a dedicated 'Track Mute' button, which can be programmed per Performance which track or tracks it mutes, but the D-Beam can also be tasked to switch off drums, drums and Bass, or everything BUT the drums and bass.

So, by a combination of these, you can have considerable flexibility choosing what you want to quickly mute with one button or a wave of the hand. The thing about all this, at least for me, is that I don't want to have to go and grab sliders or hit a bunch of buttons to do ONE thing, and I don't want to have to repeat the whole process to turn everything back on...

But damn! Sure would be cool to have the machine figure out 'Hey, he selected an acoustic piano... I should mute the Piano Part! Oh... now he's got a jazz guitar sound. Let's turn the piano back on and mute the guitar part now.'

THAT'S a smart arranger!
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#382593 - 01/26/14 09:32 AM Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico [Re: KeyBTyros]
KeyBTyros Offline
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Registered: 02/24/12
Posts: 486
Loc: The Netherlands
My Friends,
Thank you verry much for the nice discusion and info

and Dmac and Sokratis thanks for your nice comment both

I wil try verry soon to put something together and ill hope i succeed in that smile

Have a nice Sunday @ll
Greetz Rico wave

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