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#381037 - 01/09/14 05:12 PM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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#381044 - 01/09/14 06:43 PM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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#381051 - 01/10/14 12:12 AM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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#381883 - 01/18/14 10:30 PM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
[Re: KeyBTyros]
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I have a work around on the G70, but it doesn't work on the BK-9.
In the arranger Mixer, there's an icon that shows what each Part is playing. And all you have to do is touch that icon, and it mutes the Part. So, it's fairly easy to see if there's an acoustic piano, sax, organ, whatever in the style, then when I select a Tone that I can see there's an style part for, presto! Mute the sucker!
BK-9 doesn't have the icons, so I generally don't know what each arranger Part is playing.
But it would be amazing if the darn arranger would do it for you!
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#381889 - 01/19/14 12:13 AM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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BTW, one feature I've yet to see on arrangers that would be way cool is, if you pick say a piano to play, the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever.
Generally, YOU play it, you don't need the arranger playing it too! But you never know what sound you feel like using, if you are just improvising, so you can't set the arranger's Part Mute up for it. Different sounds need different tracks muted.
An automatic parameter to do this would be awesome! Dont you prefer being in controll? Ie deciding for yourself if you want this, or not? I know enough syles with a piano track, that sound still great when you play solo piano on top of that... Just use the slider (set to style parts volume) by hand if you want to mute a track, gives you full controll..
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#381898 - 01/19/14 02:26 AM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
[Re: KeyBTyros]
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The Tyros4's style part on/off screen has icons for each instrument (and a light that comes on under it when it's being played)...a bit helpful, for sure...if I can remember to shut that part off. What I also have done with some styles, and instead of replacing the string/synth pads, is to turn up (volume) those particular parts, rather than use a pad/string sound in my left hand which tends sometimes to sound too dense and/or muddy. Quite often these style pad parts default at a volume a bit too low for my liking. Once I get a mix that works, I'll re-program and store the style with those settings. Now that our instruments have basically unlimited storage, and, if you don't mind doing a little more planning ahead, the shutting off of style parts can be accomplished even easier by programming a set of eight registrations to accomplish that function for that particular style and/or song. Ian
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#381939 - 01/19/14 09:02 AM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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The Tyros4's style part on/off screen has icons for each instrument (and a light that comes on under it when it's being played)...a bit helpful, for sure...if I can remember to shut that part off. What I also have done with some styles, and instead of replacing the string/synth pads, is to turn up (volume) those particular parts, rather than use a pad/string sound in my left hand which tends sometimes to sound too dense and/or muddy. Quite often these style pad parts default at a volume a bit too low for my liking. Once I get a mix that works, I'll re-program and store the style with those settings. Now that our instruments have basically unlimited storage, and, if you don't mind doing a little more planning ahead, the shutting off of style parts can be accomplished even easier by programming a set of eight registrations to accomplish that function for that particular style and/or song. Ian Similar sort of thing on a Korg, Ian. Just touch the mute button on individual tracks on the mixer screen - or pull back on a slider. Playing and singing, I got thrown in at the deep end when our singer didn't show up one night and the song binder was stuck in front of me. Took to it like a duck to water. That's over 45 years ago and I've never looked back.
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#381952 - 01/19/14 11:15 AM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
[Re: Bachus]
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BTW, one feature I've yet to see on arrangers that would be way cool is, if you pick say a piano to play, the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever.
Generally, YOU play it, you don't need the arranger playing it too! But you never know what sound you feel like using, if you are just improvising, so you can't set the arranger's Part Mute up for it. Different sounds need different tracks muted.
An automatic parameter to do this would be awesome! Don't you prefer being in control? i.e deciding for yourself if you want this, or not? I know enough styles with a piano track, that sound still great when you play solo piano on top of that... Just use the slider (set to style parts volume) by hand if you want to mute a track, gives you full control.. I don't imagine a feature like this wouldn't have an on/off control. But when you are improvising (sure, know exactly what you are doing, easy enough to do this with OTS or whatever), you simply don't KNOW what the next sound is. But I see it as simpler than selecting the sound, then looking at the Style Mixer to see if a similar sound is being used, figure out what track it is on, then have to go and pull down that fader (and put it back exactly where it was when you select the next sound). Simplicity is what we arranger players want, isn't it? LOL
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#382085 - 01/20/14 03:52 PM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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... the arranger automatically mutes the style piano Part. Ditto for horns, organs, whatever. Nice feature on the Korg arrangers (PA series, at least ...) the assignable buttons can turn off the bass part, or the arranger tracks with one quick push. There are 3 buttons on the PA900 - I have them configured to do it this way: #1 turns the LH sound (manual bass) ON #2 turns the acc bass OFF #3 turns all the arranger tracks (1-5) OFF This way ... even during a song, I can switch modes with ease and a quick button push arranges the keys the way I need. I will often switch off all arranger tracks in small, quiet rooms ... too much fluff for a background situation, sometimes. These 3 buttons are a great tool for me. LOVE 'em!
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#382090 - 01/20/14 09:50 PM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
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Very, very nice!!!!!
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#382148 - 01/21/14 11:49 AM
Re: Maria Elena Tyros 5 Rico
[Re: KeyBTyros]
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There are some cool tricks you can do with the Roland BK9's...
You not only get a dedicated 'Track Mute' button, which can be programmed per Performance which track or tracks it mutes, but the D-Beam can also be tasked to switch off drums, drums and Bass, or everything BUT the drums and bass.
So, by a combination of these, you can have considerable flexibility choosing what you want to quickly mute with one button or a wave of the hand. The thing about all this, at least for me, is that I don't want to have to go and grab sliders or hit a bunch of buttons to do ONE thing, and I don't want to have to repeat the whole process to turn everything back on...
But damn! Sure would be cool to have the machine figure out 'Hey, he selected an acoustic piano... I should mute the Piano Part! Oh... now he's got a jazz guitar sound. Let's turn the piano back on and mute the guitar part now.'
THAT'S a smart arranger!
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