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#418324 - 03/15/16 01:50 PM
Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument
[Re: abacus]
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Some interesting content here!
I would say that the first orchestrated backing instrument was an accordion, or perhaps the player pianos and band organs which date to the late 19th century, and could be supplemented by another keyboard to play the "live" melody part.
In the 20th century IMO, the predecessor of all modern electronic organs was the Hammond S-6 chord organ, which had some facilities for automating the bass (root and 5th pedals), and rhythm accompaniment (a "rhythm bar" which you could operate with your wrist while your fingers were holding down a chord button.) The chord and bass tones could be orchestrated by "tablets" which changed the characteristics of the voices. Pretty advanced for 1950, and fully electronic with valves (tubes), not mechanical tonewheels like Hammond's other products.
Another thing the S-6 had in common with later home organs and portable keyboards, is that it was marketed toward the home hobbyist with a mild interest in music, rather than trained professionals (who would certainly have preferred two manuals and a full pedalboard.)
I believe that John Lennon composed at least one Beatles tune on, or for the Hammond Chord organ. Some good stuff on this thread!
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#418344 - 03/16/16 01:44 AM
Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument
[Re: TedS]
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Some interesting content here!
I would say that the first orchestrated backing instrument was an accordion, or perhaps the player pianos and band organs which date to the late 19th century, and could be supplemented by another keyboard to play the "live" melody part.
In the 20th century IMO, the predecessor of all modern electronic organs was the Hammond S-6 chord organ, which had some facilities for automating the bass (root and 5th pedals), and rhythm accompaniment (a "rhythm bar" which you could operate with your wrist while your fingers were holding down a chord button.) The chord and bass tones could be orchestrated by "tablets" which changed the characteristics of the voices. Pretty advanced for 1950, and fully electronic with valves (tubes), not mechanical tonewheels like Hammond's other products.
Another thing the S-6 had in common with later home organs and portable keyboards, is that it was marketed toward the home hobbyist with a mild interest in music, rather than trained professionals (who would certainly have preferred two manuals and a full pedalboard.)
I believe that John Lennon composed at least one Beatles tune on, or for the Hammond Chord organ. Some good stuff on this thread! The backing on the Lowrey video was all built into the organ and was recorded by pro musicians, so it operated just like the arranger keyboard does today. I have also been informed that the backing was recorded in multiple chord variations by the pro musicians, so that when playing different chords the backing changed to make it sound more realistic. Sound wise it was purely analogue, as sampling was still many of years away. Organs had basic backing many years before the Lowrey MX 1 (Not just Hammond,) however they were not orchestrated, they were just simple vamps. (And if you were lucky a walking bass) Bill
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#418345 - 03/16/16 01:44 AM
Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument
[Re: spalding1968]
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The "ice castle " song was an incredible performance. And if it was done solely on that instrument without any sequenced playback mechanism, that has to be the most awesome performance I've ever heard ! The organ has 2 manuals (Or more), pedals and expression pedal (Volume), with the manuals able to be split further, therefore the need to sequence (Like you need to do on an arranger) is reduced as a lot more can be played live by the player, thus when sequences are used, they are programmed in by the player and only play the parts that cannot be played live, as they have run out of hands and feet, and while Hector Olivera is a top player, these type of performances are common with organ players. (When they use styles you will find its normally just the drums and vamping chord parts that are used, as the orchestrated programming gets in the way of live performance) Bill
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