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#418301 - 03/15/16 04:16 AM The 1st orchestrated backing instrument
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The instrument was released around 1980, and can be looked upon as the creation that morphed into the easy play arranger keyboard of today.

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#418303 - 03/15/16 06:27 AM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: abacus]
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It was because of this instrument that I became interested in keyboards.

I saw David Cooper and Rick Arnonie (spelling?) at a concert two Wersi organs, both being played at the same time by these artists. I have not heard of anything better since. They played Jazz, Big Band, Latin and classical music.

Has anyone here played two keyboards played by two musicians. Barbra Strisand (spelling?) gave a concert in Central Park, New York. A live drummer, live guitar player and a bass player. The other six musicians were all playing keyboards. Her comment; I saved a lot of money on musicians and got a big electric bill.
Two OMB playing together; gotta give it try.

I know these duo keyboards happens at the jams; I am talking about a rehearsed keyboard duo.

Music is the best, John C.

PS, Anyone ever hear of Hector Olivera (one more time spelling?) One of the very best; he has the ability to play fantastic jazz AND fantastic classical music. Anyone have his music that you could post.

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#418304 - 03/15/16 07:20 AM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: abacus]
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The correct spelling for: Ric Iannone (Prononced Eannone) Italian.
I knew Ric and Dave well, we were good friends. I sold Wersi
when they could be built in Kit form. They were known as the
"Dynamic Duo" and toured the USA and Europe playing Wersi.
The Wersi Organ Co. was located in Lancaster PA. where
both Ric and Dave lived. Ralph Conti ran the Wersi Co. USA

I have heard Hector Olivera several times and he appeared
on the same bill as Ric and Dave on the Bill Horn Show
each year at the Eden Resort Hotel in Lancaster, PA.
Lloyd

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#418306 - 03/15/16 08:02 AM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: ]
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#418313 - 03/15/16 11:22 AM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: Taike]
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Indeed the Roland AT-900P which is probably the best (home) organ ever created...

To bad Roland stopped producing these beatifull organs

Tough they cost as much as a Rolls Royce, and the fact that they look like a 70's home organ.. i still always admired them..


I got to play one once, it was like comming home, devine... i just could not afford it...
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#418316 - 03/15/16 12:41 PM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: Taike]
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The "ice castle " song was an incredible performance. And if it was done solely on that instrument without any sequenced playback mechanism, that has to be the most awesome performance I've ever heard !

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#418323 - 03/15/16 02:25 PM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: abacus]
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To drag us back to the original subject, I went to a demonstration of this beast when it was launched in the UK. I remember it sounded amazing and the cost reflected this fact!
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#418324 - 03/15/16 02:50 PM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: abacus]
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Some interesting content here!

I would say that the first orchestrated backing instrument was an accordion, or perhaps the player pianos and band organs which date to the late 19th century, and could be supplemented by another keyboard to play the "live" melody part.

In the 20th century IMO, the predecessor of all modern electronic organs was the Hammond S-6 chord organ, which had some facilities for automating the bass (root and 5th pedals), and rhythm accompaniment (a "rhythm bar" which you could operate with your wrist while your fingers were holding down a chord button.)
The chord and bass tones could be orchestrated by "tablets" which changed the characteristics of the voices. Pretty advanced for 1950, and fully electronic with valves (tubes), not mechanical tonewheels like Hammond's other products.

Another thing the S-6 had in common with later home organs and portable keyboards, is that it was marketed toward the home hobbyist with a mild interest in music, rather than trained professionals (who would certainly have preferred two manuals and a full pedalboard.)

I believe that John Lennon composed at least one Beatles tune on, or for the Hammond Chord organ. Some good stuff on this thread!

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#418344 - 03/16/16 02:44 AM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: TedS]
abacus Offline
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Originally Posted By: TedS
Some interesting content here!

I would say that the first orchestrated backing instrument was an accordion, or perhaps the player pianos and band organs which date to the late 19th century, and could be supplemented by another keyboard to play the "live" melody part.

In the 20th century IMO, the predecessor of all modern electronic organs was the Hammond S-6 chord organ, which had some facilities for automating the bass (root and 5th pedals), and rhythm accompaniment (a "rhythm bar" which you could operate with your wrist while your fingers were holding down a chord button.)
The chord and bass tones could be orchestrated by "tablets" which changed the characteristics of the voices. Pretty advanced for 1950, and fully electronic with valves (tubes), not mechanical tonewheels like Hammond's other products.

Another thing the S-6 had in common with later home organs and portable keyboards, is that it was marketed toward the home hobbyist with a mild interest in music, rather than trained professionals (who would certainly have preferred two manuals and a full pedalboard.)

I believe that John Lennon composed at least one Beatles tune on, or for the Hammond Chord organ. Some good stuff on this thread!


The backing on the Lowrey video was all built into the organ and was recorded by pro musicians, so it operated just like the arranger keyboard does today. I have also been informed that the backing was recorded in multiple chord variations by the pro musicians, so that when playing different chords the backing changed to make it sound more realistic. Sound wise it was purely analogue, as sampling was still many of years away.

Organs had basic backing many years before the Lowrey MX 1 (Not just Hammond,) however they were not orchestrated, they were just simple vamps. (And if you were lucky a walking bass)

Bill
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#418345 - 03/16/16 02:44 AM Re: The 1st orchestrated backing instrument [Re: spalding1968]
abacus Offline
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Originally Posted By: spalding1968
The "ice castle " song was an incredible performance. And if it was done solely on that instrument without any sequenced playback mechanism, that has to be the most awesome performance I've ever heard !


The organ has 2 manuals (Or more), pedals and expression pedal (Volume), with the manuals able to be split further, therefore the need to sequence (Like you need to do on an arranger) is reduced as a lot more can be played live by the player, thus when sequences are used, they are programmed in by the player and only play the parts that cannot be played live, as they have run out of hands and feet, and while Hector Olivera is a top player, these type of performances are common with organ players. (When they use styles you will find its normally just the drums and vamping chord parts that are used, as the orchestrated programming gets in the way of live performance)

Bill
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