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#422343 - 06/18/16 06:16 AM Bose PA
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Anyone had any experience with these? http://www.bose.com/prc.jsp?url=/promotions/entry_pages/f1/index_en.jsp I'm just curious. I know these systems are associated with larger venues. I've been visiting with a friend(solo act) that uses just a single F1 812 speaker in smaller club venues. He used to use a Bose compact but said he gets a much warmer, deeper sound with the 812. I'm always curious about new systems. Thoughts? Rog Lee _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422344 - 06/18/16 06:31 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Edited by Dnj (06/18/16 06:32 AM)
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#422346 - 06/18/16 08:29 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: Dnj]
Bernie9 Senior Member Registered: 09/21/02 Posts: 5520 Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA	At $1079 each for the speaker and sub,I wonder when the sub would be necessary. _________________________ pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#422350 - 06/18/16 10:10 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
mirza Senior Member Registered: 11/15/01 Posts: 1314 Loc: london,ontario.canada	Once you play with subs regardless of which system, you will never want to play without them again. _________________________ MIKIMIKI TYROS 5,BEHRINGER X32PRODUCER,YAMAHA DSR112,JBL PRX618s XLF,EV ZLX12p,SENNHEISER E945,....ETC
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#422351 - 06/18/16 10:15 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: Bernie9]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Originally Posted By: Bernie9 At $1079 each for the speaker and sub,I wonder when the sub would be necessary. I'm thinking with a 12 inch woofer a sub would never be needed for what I do. If I was starting over choosing between a Compact and this, I might go with one of these as they apparently have twice the horsepower as a Compact and the price is comparable to a Compact. _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422352 - 06/18/16 10:34 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Two for stereo of course!
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#422353 - 06/18/16 10:43 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Originally Posted By: Dnj Two for stereo of course! It does have two line inputs unlike my Compacts _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422355 - 06/18/16 11:26 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
rosetree Unregistered	Originally Posted By: guitpic1 Originally Posted By: Bernie9 At $1079 each for the speaker and sub,I wonder when the sub would be necessary. I'm thinking with a 12 inch woofer a sub would never be needed for what I do. If I was starting over choosing between a Compact and this, I might go with one of these as they apparently have twice the horsepower as a Compact and the price is comparable to a Compact. They should have about 8 times the horsepower of the Compact. The bigger L1 model has 250 Watts, the Compact around 130W as far as I remember, and a single of these speakers is rated 1000W.
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#422356 - 06/18/16 11:39 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: guitpic1 Originally Posted By: Dnj Two for stereo of course! It does have two line inputs unlike my Compacts 2 inputs doesn't mean stereo?
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#422357 - 06/18/16 11:57 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Originally Posted By: Dnj Originally Posted By: guitpic1 Originally Posted By: Dnj Two for stereo of course! It does have two line inputs unlike my Compacts 2 inputs doesn't mean stereo? I'm not exactly sure how that works. On my Space Station V.3 I seem to get a bigger sound by using both the left and right outs into the SSV.3. By bigger I mean bigger than a single out from my keyboard to a single in on the Bose Compact. Guess I'm going to have to do a bit more research. _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422358 - 06/18/16 12:52 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
rosetree Unregistered	One F1 speaker can definitely not be stereo. Either the two inputs are two independent inputs or a left/right channel input, but in both cases the signal is surely converted to mono. I also guess one F1 speaker has a less wide horizontal coverage compared to the L1 systems.
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#422359 - 06/18/16 01:21 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: ]
Bernie9 Senior Member Registered: 09/21/02 Posts: 5520 Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA	I am sure that it summed to mono. The Spacestation is different architecture entirely _________________________ pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#422360 - 06/18/16 03:38 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: Bernie9]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Interesting. So that would mean that even if both the left and right channels of my keyboard were plugged into the two Bose 812 inputs, only the left channel of the keyboard would be played? The 2nd channel would be muted? _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422361 - 06/18/16 03:50 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Actually I shouldn't have used the word muted in the previous post....I understand summed. Thing is it's still going to be a larger sound than just the Left/Right out of my keyboard into a single Bose Compact input. The stereo thing is confusing as I only hear that from my keyboard when using headphones. I rarely hear that when using two Bose Compacts unless there is a great separation of the two speakers...and then I question whether anyone else can hear the separation. The F1 812 might just provide that bigger sound. Edited by guitpic1 (06/18/16 03:53 PM) _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422363 - 06/18/16 05:46 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
Bill Lewis Senior Member Registered: 11/12/08 Posts: 2447 Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA	Just my .02 but I think the Bose is overkill for what you are doing. Both in power and price. I think its aimed more at bands who need a powerful PA and would use the matching subs. And can lay out over 4K for a complete system. It's"warmer" because it has a 12" woofer compared tot he 8" in the Compact. And the power is 5X. For my smaller setups I use 1 JBL 515xt ( discontinued but the new model is the 610 ) 600 watts with a 15" woofer and HF horn with seperate amps. Even one is more power than I ever need but its only 32 lbs. and has a 3 channel mixer on the back. And I don't know why but I do think it sounds better if I run both outputs of my BK9 into two channels of the speaker. Theres lots of stuff out there so look around. _________________________ Bill in SC --- Roland BK9 (2) Roland BK7M, Roland PK5 Pedals, Roland FP90, Roland CM30 (2), JBL Eon Ones (2) JBL 610 Monitor, Behringer Sub, EV mics, Apple iPad (2) Behringer DJ mixer
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#422367 - 06/19/16 05:17 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: Bill Lewis]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Tx all. Good points. _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422368 - 06/19/16 08:55 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	Don't overlook the Maui line. Frank has them! They are at least as good as Bose, and about half the price. I've used the 5's for a few weeks now and I'm very pleased with them. _________________________ DonM
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#422370 - 06/19/16 10:44 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
musicforyourday Member Registered: 09/30/10 Posts: 733 Loc: So California, USA	they are a little too expensive I just added 2 fender expo line arays to my Standing Gig i leave them at gig they sound great they afre made by Maui for fender very good sound and a 1/3 of the price . _________________________ Genos, PSR S970, Fender Tele Amercian Deluxe Cherry sunburst , Cubase Pro 8 ,Yamaha A3M Acoustric ,Taylor 814, Ibenez Artcore Custom Tascam DP 32 Yamaha DXR 10, QSC K-12, K 12 Sub K 8 Sinn 945 2 Fender Expo line units .
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#422371 - 06/19/16 10:57 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: DonM]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: DonM Don't overlook the Maui line. Frank has them! They are at least as good as Bose, and about half the price. I've used the 5's for a few weeks now and I'm very pleased with them. Ditto
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#422383 - 06/20/16 02:01 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	As Don and others have said, it's great to have options. Today I spent about two hours on my phone visiting with both Bose folks and some of the folks at Sweetwater. First of all, the F1 Model 812 is set up somewhat like the Compact in that the left channel has a mic preamp very similar to my Compacts. The left channel will also work as a line input so that a left/right channel can be accomplished. Everyone I talked to cautioned that the F1 812 has the potential for a lot more horsepower than the L1 series. But I was also told by about everyone that they also work very well at lower volumes. Also I was informed that the F1 Model 12 would work behind us as does the Compacts but to be careful at higher volumes for feedback from 'cheaper' mic's. So, I ordered one today...got time to try it out and send it back if it doesn't work. Will keep you posted. _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422391 - 06/20/16 03:38 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
travlin'easy Senior Member Registered: 12/08/02 Posts: 15576 Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA	Rule #1 - NEVER, EVER use a cheap mic. Gary _________________________ PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff! K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#422396 - 06/20/16 08:23 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: travlin'easy]
Jerryghr Senior Member Registered: 01/14/02 Posts: 1497 Loc: Buffalo, NY	Originally Posted By: travlin'easy Rule #1 - NEVER, EVER use a cheap mic. Gary Rule #2 Except for the drunk wanna be singer that wants to do a song. Jerryghr
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#422397 - 06/21/16 12:04 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
shueymusic Member Registered: 04/27/11 Posts: 648 Loc: Lebanon, PA	Keep us posted on the Bose F1!! The one guy who works in the Bose store in the King of Prussia Mall uses the F1 system to DJ... Loves the system. Subs are very musical. Plus, he said buy them and try them for 45 days. If you are not satisfied, return them for a full refund. The 812 sounds like a great upgrade from my RCF ART 312a. Currently 10% off!! _________________________ ~Johnathan "The Shueys" www.shueymusic.com Yamaha Genos - RCF M20x - RCF HD10A (Stereo) - Jupiter Pocket Trumpet - Sennheiser e935 - Neumann KMS-104 plus-N
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#422398 - 06/21/16 02:37 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: travlin'easy]
Bernie9 Senior Member Registered: 09/21/02 Posts: 5520 Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA	Originally Posted By: travlin'easy Rule #1 - NEVER, EVER use a cheap mic. Gary What about the Sampson some of you use? _________________________ pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#422400 - 06/21/16 08:42 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	I think Samson makes a fine mic and the prices are quite good. I often use Q8 for my vocals. It has slightly more handling noise than Sennheiser, but is warmer. Senn 945 is crisper and probably more sonically accurate, but I'm actually pleased with both of them. I use Samson R22s for throwaway mics, as mentioned, for unknown guests. They are rugged, have switches, and very much sound like Shure SM58. You do have to roll off low end on most singers. When I got the Samson Q8, I "retired" the Q7, and now use it for more accomplished guest singers and friends. _________________________ DonM
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#422405 - 06/21/16 09:58 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	Since I purchased the cheap Q7, it has been my favorite Mic. I have a pair of 30 year old AT pr60's..that were my favorites..The Q7 works better for me, including my EV and Shure Mics. _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#422406 - 06/21/16 10:00 AM Re: Bose PA [Re: DonM]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	I got the Chance to play around with an F1 812 last night. A friend not far from here knew somebody playing one last night testing it out in a smaller arena. The sound was good but it was louder then I would use. This guy was trying it out for DJ work. However, there was something I hadn't thought about. The 812 doesn't seem to work the best just placed on the floor.. Same level as the crowd .. At least that's what I was told. This guy had it on a stand...no subwoofer. I realized that I probably have to use it on a stand. The guy said I could try putting it on a stand . I did manage to get all 45 pounds of it on a stand but it wasn't easy for me. Got me thinking do I want to wrestle one of these things at a gig? Hmmm??? _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#422412 - 06/21/16 01:05 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
shueymusic Member Registered: 04/27/11 Posts: 648 Loc: Lebanon, PA	If the sound quality is amazing... 45 lbs is fine. It can be the best "marketed" speaker in the world, but if it doesn't work for your situation, then it's not right. My Yamaha DXR10 speakers have been amazing in many situations. Lots of compliments. When I need more bass, I add a sub. Thinking about getting one F1-Sub to replace my 95 lbs EV SbA760. The Bose is 40 lbs lighter!! When we went to the Bose store last week, we saw a lady looking at a compact to buy for her daughters wedding. They are buying it for an iPod wedding because DJs cost too much in the Philly area. Oh my!! _________________________ ~Johnathan "The Shueys" www.shueymusic.com Yamaha Genos - RCF M20x - RCF HD10A (Stereo) - Jupiter Pocket Trumpet - Sennheiser e935 - Neumann KMS-104 plus-N
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#422419 - 06/21/16 04:59 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
rosetree Unregistered	Originally Posted By: guitpic1 I realized that I probably have to use it on a stand. The guy said I could try putting it on a stand . I did manage to get all 45 pounds of it on a stand but it wasn't easy for me. Got me thinking do I want to wrestle one of these things at a gig? Hmmm??? Imagine how often you would lift it onto a stand, what a back pain feels like, and how much longer it takes to get rid of a back pain compared to how quickly you get it... I always seek to get a comparable sound quality and sufficient sound quantity with the least weight possible.
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#422420 - 06/21/16 05:14 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: ]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Originally Posted By: rosetree Originally Posted By: guitpic1 I realized that I probably have to use it on a stand. The guy said I could try putting it on a stand . I did manage to get all 45 pounds of it on a stand but it wasn't easy for me. Got me thinking do I want to wrestle one of these things at a gig? Hmmm??? Imagine how often you would lift it onto a stand, what a back pain feels like, and how much longer it takes to get rid of a back pain compared to how quickly you get it... I always seek to get a comparable sound quality and sufficient sound quantity with the least weight possible. True. At 67 I ain't what I used to be. Thing is the Compacts and the Space Station handle 95% of what I need to do. And I'm still toying with giving the PA 4X a go. Can't afford both right now. Edited by guitpic1 (06/21/16 05:17 PM) _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#423060 - 07/07/16 01:26 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
mirza Senior Member Registered: 11/15/01 Posts: 1314 Loc: london,ontario.canada	I had Bose F1 last weekend for three days. I had three weddings Friday,Saturday and Sunday. On Friday and Saturday I used it with my system ( two Yamaha dsr112 and two JBL xlf618) and on Sunday wedding was smaller for 110 people so I only brought Bose to really test it. Tops sound pretty nice, but so do my dsr112 to tell you the truth. Subs were ok. I did like how the low end sounded but it wasn't enough. We play a lot of rock and pop, plus a lot of Balkan music too. When I talked to the salesman in the store he wanted me to really tell him what I think of these. These cost in Canada around 1400 to 1500$ Can . I told him if these speakers were somwhere $700-800 I might even consider them for smaller gigs. But, for this kind of money I can pretty much buy much, much better speakers which sound better and have more headroom with better SPL. When I bought my dsr112 I paid around $900 per speaker. And these blow Bose by far. Even JBL prx 700 or prx600 blow these and leave them far behind. Still I would take F1 over L1 any time. I am not saying they are bad, but for this kind of money they should give a lot more. Bose is still being "Bose" , selling us nicely wraped BS with clever advertizing. _________________________ MIKIMIKI TYROS 5,BEHRINGER X32PRODUCER,YAMAHA DSR112,JBL PRX618s XLF,EV ZLX12p,SENNHEISER E945,....ETC
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#423062 - 07/07/16 02:16 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: mirza]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: mirza I had Bose F1 last weekend for three days. I had three weddings Friday,Saturday and Sunday. On Friday and Saturday I used it with my system ( two Yamaha dsr112 and two JBL xlf618) and on Sunday wedding was smaller for 110 people so I only brought Bose to really test it. Tops sound pretty nice, but so do my dsr112 to tell you the truth. Subs were ok. I did like how the low end sounded but it wasn't enough. We play a lot of rock and pop, plus a lot of Balkan music too. When I talked to the salesman in the store he wanted me to really tell him what I think of these. These cost in Canada around 1400 to 1500$ Can . I told him if these speakers were somwhere $700-800 I might even consider them for smaller gigs. But, for this kind of money I can pretty much buy much, much better speakers which sound better and have more headroom with better SPL. When I bought my dsr112 I paid around $900 per speaker. And these blow Bose by far. Even JBL prx 700 or prx600 blow these and leave them far behind. Still I would take F1 over L1 any time. I am not saying they are bad, but for this kind of money they should give a lot more. Bose is still being "Bose" , selling us nicely wraped BS with clever advertizing. Mirza I agree with you....I also had the Bose & Nanos too and the DSR12's which sounded amazing until I hear the FBT pro max 12's and made the switch....there are many really good choices out there in the speaker world...use your own ears and make a choice.
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#423066 - 07/07/16 02:25 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
rosetree Unregistered	The expression " nicely wrapped BS" for Bose itself is a BS expression, to be clear. I don't know about F1 and L1 from my own experience, but I know a lot of Bose systems where competitors have only managed recently to achieve the same weight/size : performance ratio.
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#423069 - 07/07/16 02:52 PM Re: Bose PA [Re: guitpic1]
mirza Senior Member Registered: 11/15/01 Posts: 1314 Loc: london,ontario.canada	Rosetree I said for that kind of money I am saying they don' t come even close to being good. I never liked L1. I mean not that it's bad. For lets say longe music they work. Something soft. Sound is coming from everywhere and also from nowhere. Maybe some clasical music or a piano peace it will work great. But so would anything else too. Now days pretty much all speakers sound pretty decent. There is no bad speaker anymore. Now we look at what we get for the money. And when I said that Bose sells us BS I meant it as my opinion. Nobody has to agree with me. If it works for someone else l, great. I mean the same for Bose theatre systems. For that money it's not even half as good. I use small B&W that would blow any Bose system, doesn't matter how much they cost. DNJ, I agree on those FBT. Those are great speakers. They were too much money when I bought DSR112. If I find two for a good price I wouldn't hesitate for a second. _________________________ MIKIMIKI TYROS 5,BEHRINGER X32PRODUCER,YAMAHA DSR112,JBL PRX618s XLF,EV ZLX12p,SENNHEISER E945,....ETC
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