KORG Pa4x how to start style with selected STS sound?

after creating a song book entry lets just say MY WAY and I assign Piano to STS #2 as my starting sound......
then save it to songbook,....when I go back to that song in the songbook the keyboard reverts back to STS #1 Accordion....

how do I save songs with the sound I want to begin with STS#2 Piano? what step am I missing here?..

thanx

Donny,

What I would before doing the save on Songbook go to STS#2 Piano and be sure it's the chosen voice you want for STS#2


Then in Songbook go to the 2nd tab that's labeled "book edit 1" then in the middle of the screen you will see "Keyboard Set" . Usally the so called radio button is set to "All" and is colored green. At this point you need to choose the radio button under all. You should then see Piano on the screen then simply save it to whatever location you want, you could actually choose 1, 2, 3 or 4. depending on where you'd like that voice saved. Hope that helps.

Steve I have no problem assigning sounds to my STS styles etc, to locations 1,2,3,4 ....... what I need is when I select a style in songbook I want a certain STS sound to be already to go....hope thats clearer? lets say I want to start the songs with STS4........how do I make sure that happens without it reverting to STS1 as it has been now?

Donny, maybe I'm not understanding your question but from what I read seems like that is the way to get it done. Ok I'm sure someone else will weigh in on this.

I always move the sound I want to use first to the #1 keyset position. You can do it in Songbook or to the style itself. I use Songbook.

Don I understand BUT.... Thats NOT the way I set up my sounds for playing .....Yamaha lets you assigning any sound OTS to the registration so it's there when you select the song....
why does KORG always revert to STS#1.. I always set my song sounds in a very logical order almost like the variation progression so I dont have to even think about where they are in the STS....the songbook saves everything else why not STS positioning? unless Im missing a step or???

None instrument is perfect...

You need to addapt to what the instrument offers you.. If the feature isnt there, you need to addapt and make the way of Korg yours.. Mostly its just a matter of time...

so your saying this CANNOT BE DONE in the Pa4x? If not that's a problem that certainly needs to be addressed in the next Update OS for sure..

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, .....BOOM!

Don't get me wrong,......I Love the Pa4x big time it really sounds amazing, we all like to navigate the KB in different ways to suit our playing needs,I can adapt as i have done for many years, workarounds is my middle name just sayin'.....I can live with just selecting an Sts with the well located buttons before I start the song as unlike Yamaha you can see your Sts sounds on the Tilt display easily,...
The Korg Pa4x has addressed many of MY needs beyond my expectations and I'm finding new kool features exploring it all the time.I know I made the right choice.

Yeah, but what's it going to be? We've just (recently) gone from Korg (PA900) to Yamaha (PSR950) to Ketron (SD7) to Yamaha (PSR970) to Korg PA4x;------- so what's yo' problem man; why you dissin' Roland and Casio? (hope the older, more conservative among you realize that I'm only joking).

chas

Chas I actually played Frans new ROLAND EA7 a few days ago after a sumptuous breakfast and was very surprised at how well laid out it was and all the kool features it has for a arranger at that price range.If Roland takes it a step further soon with a EA9 it could be a winner for sure....

Hey, next time you see or talk to Fran, tell him I'd still love to meet him but that needs to happen before I get too old to travel . Go Iggles.

chas

Donny, I will open up the PA4X and see if what you are asking can be done. I actually think it can. I'll let you know.
In other words, you want to be able to push Songbook title and have it open up with, for instance, STS 3, instead of 1, right?

I'm re-thinking this a bit, Donny do you want STS 2 to open with Variation 1 or STS open to let's say STS 3 with variation 1? If that's the case then I don't believe it can be done.

Yes Don.... That is exactly right.... Thanx

Hi Donny,
Not sure if this is what you're talking about
Pa3x had sts button.
This button is now called style to Kbd set.
Press it to flashing and the sounds change with the variations?

Above the auto fill button.

Don't know how it donks with the songbook, but that 's his I use it for style play.

Steve please try and report back... Appreciate it.

I'm re-thinking this a bit, Donny do you want STS 2 to open with Variation 1 or STS open to let's say STS 3 with variation 1? If that's the case then I don't believe it can be done. After re-reading your post a couple more times it finally sunk in my small aging brain

P.S. Just tried it on my Pa3x, does not work on the 3x either.

Let's say I want to save a song with STS 3 assigned save it to Songbook go to another song and save it with STS 2 go back to the songbook and select the first song and you will see the STS went back to STS 1 instead of STS 3

Hi Donny,
I can't comment on songbook functions, but as far as I'm aware ( unless something has changed in pa4x) an sts is assigned to a particular variation ie
Sts1 vari 1. Sts 2 vari 2. May not be the case for songbook.

Don't know if it will make any difference but maybe the

Style to keyboard set button might be doing something that you don' t want.

There are 3 settings. Off, on ( solid red) and flashing. All 3 have different purposes in style play mode.

Maybe try changing the setting.

Rikki this is a songbook saving issue that needs to be addressed...

I don't see a way to do exactly what you want. I guess it isn't designed that way. Korg is good about listening to suggestions for improvements if you post on the Korg Forum.
You CAN save the sound you want to load in Songbook, under Keyset position 1, and it will automatically load when you call up the SB entry. I usually change most or all of the Keyset sounds when I save a SB entry anyway.
I also have eleven of my favorite sounds saved in the Keyset Banks, on the lower right side of the keyboard. If you go to Global, Interface and check the Keyset to automatically load, then whenever you press a Bank button the set in position one, or the last set loaded from that bank, will instantly load. Just because the bank says Ethnic or whatever, doesn't mean you can't save any sound you want there. You can also save Keysets in the User Bank.
Hope this helps.

Thanx Don.... So I'm not nuts lol.... Thanx for trying.... I also posted it on KORG Forum Pa4x too.

You don't need the song to load ANY STS sound if you assign it that way. I have 4 "go to" sounds in my STS banks that are the same for all my user styles, add that to the "My SOUND" tone, and that gives me 5 choices for any style I pick. If you don't have the STS set to change with style selection, the songbook should set up what ever sound set is called up.
My sound bank is like this:
My Sound: acoustic piano
STS1: Rhodes (add steel drums on Upper 2, strings on 3)
STS2: Whurlie (add vibes on 2, strings on 3)
STS3: Organ (add cheesier organs with 2&3) - velocity leslie trigger F/S
STS4: Sax section (uses Upper 1&2 - add 3 for brass section)

With these 5 sounds, I can get through 95% of my stuff that isn't song specific.

Hi Guys
decided to try and set up a song.
Still not sure how the sounds work with this new setup, but I'm used to using sts's that change automatically each time I go to a new variation.
Trying to get this to also work in songbook mode.

I have my user style set up for the following Sts.
Also works in songbook provided I am happy to use the instruments assigned to to each variation. They change when I go from v1 to v3 whatever.
1 piano
2. Guitar
3. Strings
4. Orchestral Strings.

The problem was if I wanted to use strings on vari 2 instead of guitar.
If I physically changed it, it actually overwrote the settings in my actual style. No good.

Don't know if there's another way of doing it , as unfortunately I lost one of my sts's for this song . May be my only compromise.

Basically I did the following

Write Current keyboard set, I changed it from All to little icon below
I pushe style style button vari 3 because that was my string sts

Then I set To 2 (meant it copied the strings sts to var 2)

Then I clicked intro and vari 2 button wrote it to the song book.

Unfortunately I no longer have the guitar sts, but my song does start with intro and variation 2.

It has not affected the original style the original sts are still in place.
Basically I can do the above with as many songs as I like provided I use the same 4 sts, but I can move them around as per above.

I also have the style to Kbd button set to flashing do that the sts changed automatically withe the variation changes.

THats ok everyone & I appreciate the help, what I am asking obviously cannot be done on a Pa4x at this time which leaves me having to remember to just push the STS button for the sound I want to start the song with that isn't the #1 STS,.....
just another workaround I can live with.
lets see if KORG responds in the next OS Update.
That said I LOVE THE PA4x

Donny, don't give up. I'm not sure we exactly understand what you're trying to do.

First up, you want to save song with sts 3, BUT , which variation are you trying to save for the song. Sts's and variations are linked. Are you trying to save sts3 with vari 1 or vari 3?
Makes a difference.


I think this is where some of us may be confused.

I know I confuse people, must be the Aussie accent. Haha

P.s.

You've actually got me working on my song book now. Had no idea how good this function is.

I shouldn't try to speak for Donny, but knowing what I know of him, I THINK that when he is using a style he likes the progression from Var 1 to Var 2, 3 and 4 ... HOWEVER, while he may want to start with Var 1, he wants to use the voice settings of STS2 ... which apparently the KB will not let him do ...

If my GUESS is incorrect, I apologize ...

Tony what's the difference..... You should be able to set whatever starting STS you save with everything else in the style STS, intro 1,2,3, etc etc...

Thanks Tony,
yes, unfortunately I don't think korgs work that way.

Hi Donny,
I actually play my styles that way too, start with v1 and work my way up.

In most instances I try to set my sts up with it's matching variation, even if I have to duplicate the style itself 2 of 3 times.

While I was playing around yesterday, with songbook, I did find a way of copying sts3 to vari 1.
Compromise was I ended up with sts 3 on vari 1 and vari 3, , my style started playing on vari 1 or I could have saved it to start on the other variations too.

So as I played thru.
V1 sts3 , v2 sts2, v3 sts3 , v4 sts 4.

My original style was still left in tact, only songbook was affected.

I still think the issue is that you have the style to kb set turned ON. The style is the conductor for switching STS sounds if it's on. Try turning it off, and see if you can get the result you want. Just a guess

Where is style to kb set on off?

Hi Donny
Above the auto fill button. It 's basically a replacement for the sts button. Set to flashing if you want sounds to change with variations. Would have been a deal breaker for me if this function didn't exist.

OK I got it Thanx Rikki will check it out.