So I have the Allen & Heath QU24 which has all the bells & whistles....I will be doing everything from the mixing board. QU24 to my left, PA4X in front, dual acoustic guitars on my left....

Need to upgrade speaker system from 2 Harbinger Vari 2115's & the Harbinger MA350 PA.....(relegated to monitor duty)


Budget is 3K...Do I spend the $$$ on top shelf speakers, or do I go Bose even though parts of it may be redundant? L1 Model II with Single B2 Bass T1 Module

If you're only playing in the studio, I'd get dedicated studio monitors with a great sub. The Bose, as good as they are (and I love them) are much better suited for live play. In close quarters, the stereo imaging gets wasted by the wide coverage. If I had your setup, I might even go with the QSC K8s with a single stereo sub. Trust me ... it's killer, and the K8 horn has a wider dispersion than most speakers that size. That system could easily transport to most stages too!

The speakers will be for live Uncle Dave....

Steve it depends on where you are playing and for how many , i have a couple of systems

at the Mission inn i use fender expo LD mauoi 11 2 ea very full live room

I also have QSC k8 with k sub great system sub is a dual 12 great sound for keyboards and vocals and portable too

I have a pair of yamaaha dxr 10 for my local assisted gigs they are great and will work as a montior system too

line aray systems are great check out the LD curv 5 system kick ass little system and 1000 wt too kicks bose any day

I use the Yamaha DXR10 speakers in stereo. For some bigger gigs, I add an EV SbA760 to round out the kick and bass. I also have the RCF ART 312a and 310a. Each are good for the right gigs.

The QSC K8 speakers are fantastic and very portable speakers. Also add a sub for bottom. They are coming out with a new subwoofer called the K Cardioid Sub. Specs look promising... paired with the K8 or K10 and that system would rock for 250-300 people

https://www.qsc.com/live-sound/products/...ioid-subwoofer/

FBT, HK Audio, LD Systems make great options for you. The new FBT ProMaxx 114a looks like a great all around speaker for what you do.

So many options... so many opinions. As always, use your ears and don't let your wife throw out the speaker boxes just in case!!!

I use a simple GX6 Yamaha mixer and QSC10s. Powerful and beautiful stereo sound.

Most everyone on another forum is saying QSC 12's....I posted here specifically to get the BOSE users take on this, but they are silent???? BOSE is15% off until tomorrow and time is winding down "if" I go in that direction. So far it is like 10 to zero in favor of speakers....A total landslide

I guess my biggest question, which no one has addressed is "because" I have the mixer, are many of the functions of the BOSE semi-obsolete, thereby 'tossing" away $$$$.....

I WILL be running everything from my mixer rather than the BOSE which makes me think I am literally throwing away 1K in features I will never use....I'm not even sure how to integrate the tonematch in that set-up.

Since I have the mixer & 3 monitors that were formerly FOH, 2 Harbinger Vari 2115's & the Harbinger MA350 PA.....(relegated to monitor duty) I'm wrestling with utilizing all my existing equipment to the best....

Thoughts on that aspect anyone?

I changed from Bose to LD Systems Maui 5 speakers. To me they sound better, more bottom, more controls, bluetooth, and about half the price!

Don. Either or ..... talking about line array versus say QSC 12's with what I have

if you have a great mixer you don't have to buy the tonematch by bose just use your mixer and by the way the maui 5 is a line array
if you don't get the tonematch you can save $1000 on a pair of L1's

Mel

Ditto...I love the LD maui systems....my maui 5 & maui 28's they sound amazing.

I can't see me ever changing from line array systems again. It's just so easy to set up and they sound so great. I can see where if you wanted your sound concentrated closer to the bandstand then a traditional setup might be better suited. However, I like the concept of covering the entire room at somewhat equal volume.

Hello Guys...

I think another Excellent contender in the array systems, besides Bose, Maui, JBL, etc, is the Turbosound, I own 2 IP 1000, I purchased them for less than $1,300.00 and I have one Thousand Watts on EACH, side....of course, I do not use all that, also has a great bass response, and knowing what I have experience, I recommend the Turbosound IP 500 that is around 10 more pounds than the Bose Compact and has 3 times more power, more bottom (600 Watts) that is plenty for even a large or outdoor gig....also features Bluetooth, you can play music from your devise (IPhone, etc) and with the free app, you can do your sound check on the middle of the ballroom, and hear what the people will hear...also from your devise. You can buy the BOTH Ip500 for around $1,000.00.

FYI, Turbosound is an English company that is been a several decades in the audio, they are famous in Europe and Mexico and South-America because they provide the audio in Stadiums, very, very large venues.....and also have been providing audio to bands a long time.

Just my two cents.

Manuel

Thought I was going to pull the trigger on 3 QSC K12.2....Just came into the Bose Showroom and the L1 Model II with B2 Bass and tonematch. The tone match has my Taylor guitar on it AND my Neumann KMS 105.... The portability and the dispersion are interesting too

Still so unsure.

Having owned the predecessor to the Bose L1 Mod II, I can assure you that it would be hard to go wrong with the Bose rig. Granted, the cost is more than some of the competition, but there were a couple Have Guitar Will travel guys in the Florida Keys with that rig who were doing big, outdoor jobs and the coverage was absolutely astounding. I'm talking something nearly 2 acres in size and you could hear them equally as well as if you were just a few feet away. And, the overall sound quality was absolutely awesome.

I have not heard the Maui systems used under these conditions, so I cannot comment on them, though they seem to be loved by those performing indoors in mid size venues.

Good luck on whatever you decide upon,

Gary

I had an epiphany I believe in the last week & today I have 5 reasons to move from Conventional Speakers to The BOSE true line array...My Budget is 3K...

1. I want to hear exactly what the audience hears....I have been playing with my Speakers behind me for the last year, feedback is a small issue, but can rear it's ugly head. I understand the BOSE should not be an issue there.....

2. My footprint on the stage when visiting other houses of worship is currently too big..... I will be playing other houses of Worship more frequently and what I have found is the "home" Church has taken up most if not all of the real estate on stage..From Pianos, guitars monitors, ams & house Speakers, to Chairs, tables etc....Not much room for me...especially in my current set up...I currently have the following on stage with me:

KORG PA 4X------Taylor 812ce 12 fret---Breedlove American C25 SME------Allen & Heath QU 24---2 Harbinger VARI 2115 15" speakers, 1 Harbinger 350 Line Array PA as a monitor, Fishman Loudbox Performer Acoustic Amp.....

3. My Honda CRV Compact SUV is bursting at the seams....I cannot fit all this in without throwing 1 Guitar in the passenger seat...Keep in mind I have stands & Cables as well

The way I figure it if I go to the BOSE with 1 B2 Bass I can lose-2 Harbinger VARI 2115 15" speakers, 1 Harbinger 350 Line Array PA as a monitor, Fishman Loudbox Performer Acoustic Amp.....I will buy the Tone Match but I really like my automated Allen & Heath QU 24 on stage with me. A touch of the button and it remember ALL settings & I have real sliders...(I will buy the TONE MATCH, but use a little differently and try to send it back into my mixer and THEN to the BOSE & probably as a stand alone not quite so much) The reason I will buy the TONE MATCH is I can use it for my Taylor & my Neumann KMS 105

So I am leaning heavily toward this set up as the set up & tear down from this past Sunday was brutal and I had 3 people helping me....

4. I AM a solo performer even though I have a large amount of gear on stage.... Seems the BOSE is geared toward the Solo acoustic artist, but I also play the Arranger & sequence tunes through the PA 4X and play acoustic along with it. I do have my wife sing harmony....My only concern is , I am wondering how my PA 4X will sound & also if 1 B2 is enough to handle the keyboard

5. The sound I heard today was absolutely awesome & the dispersion that this unit has seems to play well for a house of Worship....

That's all I got

That is all you need. You are the perfect candidate for Bose or one of the other line array systems.
Eddie

Steve, I see NO reason to get the Tone Match at all. You don't need to double preamp anything. If you're happy with the A&H - stick with it.
The T1 is a great option for many, but your needs re more tailored to the mixer you have. Save $500 and send me a present.

Ditto!

Should I get 2 B2s instead for the keys? have 3k

From my experience, one is more than sufficient. The B2 has an incredible low end frequency response, and the speaker design is such that on very low frequencies, the travel distance of the cone is far more than any sub I've seen in the past. Consequently, it would be very easy to overpower the audience with sub if you were using a pair of them. Kinda like when you pull up next to a bunch of kids in a car and the thump can be heard a block away. No one needs that much bass.

Good luck,

Gary

You don't need the Tonematch, as others have said.
I would audition comparable LD Systems Maui speakers before buying Bose. They have more features, sound as good, if not better, and are about half the price!

don't listen to anyone here just go to the store with your gear that your gonna use and set up and play as if you were on stage at full volume....then make a decision if its right for you or possibly another system there are many out there .....you will appreciate what I am telling you and save yourself much aggravation for sure....

The store I am purchasing from only has the Maui 5...,I saw your post earlier and gave it a whirl. No go...I have credit at the store for 12 months and it's down to the K 12.2 or the Bose.

I think I will leave my current system set up at the church I play once a week and use the Bose for engagements

The Maui 5's are great for small venues.......
but the Maui 28 G2's are just Amazing!!





http://www.ld-systems.com/en/complete-pa...luetooth-black/

Love the Maui 5's...but only for small gigs up to 50 ppl. Anything over 50, outdoors, or in a large venue and two Bose Compacts come out.
Eddie

I find the Maui 5s more powerful and have better bass than the Compacts!

ditto

I did an A/B test and found the Maui 5s main had to be turned up all the way and line to 3 or 4 o'clock to equal the Bose main volume up to only 10 o'clock. What am I missing?

Eddie

eddie r u running straight or thru a pre amp mixer, big difference & what is your KB master vol set for ?

DONE.....I ordered the BOSE L1 Model II with 1 B2 BASS & with the TONE MATCH.

I decided to add the TONE MATCH for 2 reasons....

1. I have a Neumann KMS 105, & I want to use their preset...I can route it back to my mixer

2. There also will be times where I will not want to take my mixer out (a really hot day, maybe doing 1 special song somewhere with just an acoustic guitar, Or leading worship on a stage with very little real estate, Or even for times when I am going through the house in bigger venues...) It certainly will be of use, maybe not all the time, but will be needed and I do not want to have to order it later

I also ordered a Sennheiser e 935 Cardioid Dynamic Vocal Microphone FOR THE WIFEY to sing through......She did sign off on this & did agree the BOSE was what we needed to cut down on lugging all this gear around

Smart lady, Steve.

Gary

Donny....
It was a TRUE A/B test. Summed line out from S-970 to:
1) Bose Compact.
2) Maui 5.
No pre-amp. No mixer. KB vol set at high noon.

Maui required almost full bore to equal the Bose at 10 o'clock.

I didn't try stereo A/B even though I have a pair of each. My need for two on any job is minimal.

I'm luvin' the Maui for the smaller jobs. But, it (they, I have a pair) doesn't cut it in large venue or big crowd situation.

Eddie

Try a preamp mixer.......I'd say either bose compact or maui 5 aren't enough for a large venue 250+....every system has it's limits....thats why I dumped them both...

The end result is that the Boses are not louder because if you get much past 10 or 12, it doesn't get louder, only goes into protection mode. The Maui's can go very loud if you turn them up.

A single Bose Compact is rated to audience sizes of up to 120, while a pair will easily handle an audience of 300, and possibly more depending upon the crowd noise.

The Bose does have an overdrive limiter, therefore you cannot push it to the distort level. I'm not sure if the Maui has this or not - I could not find this information in the specs.

With a single Bose L1 PAS (Personal Amplification System - old designation) and single B1 sub, I could easily do audiences to 1,000 outdoors and have done several that size. Indoors, it was far more than I needed for similar size venues.

My largest audience with a pair of compacts was about 400 at a pool party for a bunch of drunken investors. They were ridiculously loud, but the system cut through the crowd noise so that those who wanted to hear the music and dance could do so.

Maybe one day in the near future, I'll make a road trip to NJ to hear DNJ in action once again with his Maui 28s.

Gary

Dinner on me buddy bring Carol too!!

Can I come by sailboat? I know, different kind of road.

Gary

common plenty of places to dock around here on the NJ shore..

Nah, think I'll drive - the boat would take three days to get there and I can drive there in three hours. Hope to see you soon.

Gary

probaby much less then that its a straight run

Well, geeze - that's the ONLY thing you should be thinking of!!! Why even ASK us?