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#453965 - 06/26/18 09:26 PM
the bar just got lowered again
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
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Well, I promised myself never to bring up the subject again because "it ain't going to go away"....it just gets worse..but here I am back again with my usual gripe.
So I'm having a very busy day, but figured it's OK, I'll go to tonight's park concert and relax listening to good music (every summer there are hundreds of concerts around here...pick and choose, but, unfortunately, I chose the wrong one).
I knew there was something wrong when I noticed no instruments on the stage, only two Grade B Kmart self-powered speakers on posts. Then I saw the group on the side....3 men, a girl....men looked like they needed to sign up for Medicare after the show. Show starts and my suspicions were correct.....Karaoke tracks dished out on a single, solitary laptop. Total musical equipment on stage: one laptop + two speakers + three mini-monitors + four mikes, and, I guess you could throw in three pairs of shoelaces (officially on stage) to bring it up to a grand total of 13 items that you could carry to your gig in a supermarket cart.
How did it come to this? I've been seeing good bands for the last 20 years, and I mean full bands with guys who had chops (especially the Chicago Tribute Band). These guys tonight were playing to a customary audience of 500-600 people and, in addition, to mediocre sounding Karaoke discs, they couldn't even coordinate their voices. Limp patter in between songs. They should have named their group "The Sadists!"
I studied both them and the audience carefully. Singer #1 looked and walked like Rip Van Winkle. #2 dressed like he was setting up the pins for bowlers at the local bowling alley. #3 was so big I could hardly see #1 and #2. He could have passed for the Michelin Man without even a costume. Or maybe the "before" picture for some exercise emporium advertisement. I mean, really, if you're going to sing together, try and make a good visual. Then the girl.....very little singing and dressed in a "glitter" outfit...moved like she should have been teaching Zumba classes instead of singing. I actually thought she was a Xmas tree on stage until she moved.
Audience.....out of all those people I counted only 7 1/2 people dancing, and no one, NO ONE, was moving to the music in their seats. A friend who was with me, got up and left (quote) "before she ruined her hearing!"
Now here's the plus side. Thinking about the status quo, I'm sitting there wondering if this is a blessing. The audiences have been gradually "dumbed down" so much over the years, I'm wondering if it's time for a really good OMB now to enter the arena (maybe coupled with a female vocalist). I'm talking a "Jurgen Sartorius" type, good playing, excellent vocals, entertainer type, mixed bag of music, TOTL keyboard, huge bass speakers, harmonizer, and, of course, the incidentals (on the keyboard hard drive): midi files, Karaoke tracks, original recordings, etc.
If I was a young whippersnapper again, full of energy and determination and drive, I'd take up the challenge. But then again the glitch in the whole thing is, you might end up in popular demand, but your paycheck would probably be equivalent to the cost of a tuna fish sandwich. These park recreation directors who hire the groups are slaves to the "bottom line."
This should be my last "gripe" letter, because I don't think there's enough room left to lower the bar anymore!
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#453970 - 06/27/18 01:14 AM
Re: the bar just got lowered again
[Re: Mark79100]
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Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5520
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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I will be doing a program for a "special needs" group of adults tomorrow. Despite their problems, they are the most appreciative and enthusiastic group I entertain. One should never assume they are mentally challenged in all areas. They each have their areas of expertise, but their common thread is music and a loving disposition. It is, by far, the most rewarding group I have.
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#453984 - 06/27/18 07:38 AM
Re: the bar just got lowered again
[Re: Mark79100]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Well, I promised myself never to bring up the subject again because "it ain't going to go away"....it just gets worse..but here I am back again with my usual gripe.
So I'm having a very busy day, but figured it's OK, I'll go to tonight's park concert and relax listening to good music (every summer there are hundreds of concerts around here...pick and choose, but, unfortunately, I chose the wrong one).
I knew there was something wrong when I noticed no instruments on the stage, only two Grade B Kmart self-powered speakers on posts. Then I saw the group on the side....3 men, a girl....men looked like they needed to sign up for Medicare after the show. Show starts and my suspicions were correct.....Karaoke tracks dished out on a single, solitary laptop. Total musical equipment on stage: one laptop + two speakers + three mini-monitors + four mikes, and, I guess you could throw in three pairs of shoelaces (officially on stage) to bring it up to a grand total of 13 items that you could carry to your gig in a supermarket cart.
How did it come to this? I've been seeing good bands for the last 20 years, and I mean full bands with guys who had chops (especially the Chicago Tribute Band). These guys tonight were playing to a customary audience of 500-600 people and, in addition, to mediocre sounding Karaoke discs, they couldn't even coordinate their voices. Limp patter in between songs. They should have named their group "The Sadists!"
I studied both them and the audience carefully. Singer #1 looked and walked like Rip Van Winkle. #2 dressed like he was setting up the pins for bowlers at the local bowling alley. #3 was so big I could hardly see #1 and #2. He could have passed for the Michelin Man without even a costume. Or maybe the "before" picture for some exercise emporium advertisement. I mean, really, if you're going to sing together, try and make a good visual. Then the girl.....very little singing and dressed in a "glitter" outfit...moved like she should have been teaching Zumba classes instead of singing. I actually thought she was a Xmas tree on stage until she moved.
Audience.....out of all those people I counted only 7 1/2 people dancing, and no one, NO ONE, was moving to the music in their seats. A friend who was with me, got up and left (quote) "before she ruined her hearing!"
Now here's the plus side. Thinking about the status quo, I'm sitting there wondering if this is a blessing. The audiences have been gradually "dumbed down" so much over the years, I'm wondering if it's time for a really good OMB now to enter the arena (maybe coupled with a female vocalist). I'm talking a "Jurgen Sartorius" type, good playing, excellent vocals, entertainer type, mixed bag of music, TOTL keyboard, huge bass speakers, harmonizer, and, of course, the incidentals (on the keyboard hard drive): midi files, Karaoke tracks, original recordings, etc.
If I was a young whippersnapper again, full of energy and determination and drive, I'd take up the challenge. But then again the glitch in the whole thing is, you might end up in popular demand, but your paycheck would probably be equivalent to the cost of a tuna fish sandwich. These park recreation directors who hire the groups are slaves to the "bottom line."
This should be my last "gripe" letter, because I don't think there's enough room left to lower the bar anymore! Who are we to judge?.....they are getting paid...... it's a free night out for people on a summer night...., and anyone is free to leave if they choose. That said on a positive note you also learned what is going on in the changing music performance scene today and into the future. Enjoy
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#453999 - 06/27/18 09:30 AM
Re: the bar just got lowered again
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
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Who are we to judge?.....they are getting paid...... So does that mean, as long as you're getting paid, my plumber, my mechanic, and my income tax accountant can perform too? it's a free night out for people on a summer night.... so was the Jim Jones clan a "free night out for people" and where did that lead to? (Google Jim Jones) and anyone is free to leave if they choose No, I watched everyone closely. People chose to get up and take short walks, have conversations with each other, amuse themselves on their smart phones, etc. In short, it's a beautiful summer night, great weather....you're out already...make the best of it. Donny.....I appreciate your posts but sometimes I wonder: do you actually get the point the "poster" is making? Do you really think things through before you comment or do you just have "post-itis" (obsession to post)?
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#454023 - 06/27/18 12:09 PM
Re: the bar just got lowered again
[Re: Mark79100]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Who are we to judge?.....they are getting paid...... So does that mean, as long as you're getting paid, my plumber, my mechanic, and my income tax accountant can perform too? it's a free night out for people on a summer night.... so was the Jim Jones clan a "free night out for people" and where did that lead to? (Google Jim Jones) and anyone is free to leave if they choose No, I watched everyone closely. People chose to get up and take short walks, have conversations with each other, amuse themselves on their smart phones, etc. In short, it's a beautiful summer night, great weather....you're out already...make the best of it. Donny.....I appreciate your posts but sometimes I wonder: do you actually get the point the "poster" is making? Do you really think things through before you comment or do you just have "post-itis" (obsession to post)? Believe me I get it,......what I don't get is your complaining and so call anger toward musicians performing however they are trying to do it, you post YOUR opinions don't be surprised to receive other peoples feed back who Don't agree sorry,.....show some helpful support or better yet I would of went up to them during a break or at the end of the show and talked with them as a fellow musician and offered my thoughts good or bad, many times it's very appreciative.....and btw I've been playing over 50yrs myself.. have a nice day if you can
Edited by Dnj (06/27/18 12:16 PM)
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#454098 - 06/28/18 10:52 PM
Re: the bar just got lowered again
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
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Mark writes: Donny.....I appreciate your posts but sometimes I wonder: do you actually get the point the "poster" is making? Do you really think things through before you comment or do you just have "post-itis" (obsession to post)?
Believe me I get it,...... No, Donny...I don't believe you 'cause you DON'T get it. Read the heading of my message, then read it again, and again until you DO get it...my heading was "the bar just got lowered again.” That means I’m noticing musicians are showing up with less and less equipment regularly and that this might not end until they show up on stage with a tin can and a spoon as backing and both Sam Ash and Guitar Center go out of business. I could have said it all in the first three paragraphs. I just thought I’d throw in some additional tongue-in-cheek patter as someone already noted. what I don't get is your complaining and so call anger toward musicians performing however they are trying to do it, Hmmmmmmm Let’s use an analogy. Donnie pays $200 for a ticket to see a first class Broadway musical. Goes through the time and trouble of getting into NYC, pays $50 to park his car, walks in and sits down saying to himself “it was all worth it, the next two hours are going to be magnificent.” In walks the performers…they’re all convicts from the Pentonville State Prison choral group who are doing the show because it meant temporary parole for them. In walks the band…..they’re a harmonica player and a drummer whose only equipment is a pair of drumsticks that he uses on a kitchen scrub-board. Would that make YOU angry? And, really Donny, quite frankly I don’t care if you see me as angry. Do I need to remind you this platform is presented as a public forum and I was graciously given the right to post anything I want within Nigel’s parameters? show some helpful support or better yet I would of went up to them during a break or at the end of the show and talked with them as a fellow musician and offered my thoughts good or bad, many times it's very appreciative Have you ever given advice to a musician or anyone even who took it without getting insulted? Most are so fragile they can’t take any kind of critique unless it’s positive BS. I never forgot this, I had a close OMB friend back in the 80’s. Never met him but we spoke regularly on the phone 2-3x a week about the music business, getting gigs, equipment, etc. One day I went out to watch his show. Good performance, very good vocalist, very good guitarist, very professional. But he was using a 10 year old rhythm box. When I asked him why the next day, he got insulted and from that day on he was very cold to me. Never could figure that one out but never forgot it. . ....and btw I've been playing over 50 yrs myself.. Donnie, this is a low blow, but I couldn’t resist.....it doesn’t show! But......I DID like your version of We'll Meet Again....very well done, very well orchestrated, very good arrangement (if it was yours). have a nice day if you can Yes, I can, now that I finished writing this.
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