Controlling KETRON Modules (triggering fills, arranger A-D, Ending ..etc) via programming buttons on an external Midi controller/DAW using SysExc:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbZhtK_6ips
As we invest more in promotion and service for all our KETRON customers, do enjoy these next few releases ... and stand by for a few 'surprises' in a few weeks .....
No doubt that it is a great product, but won't be a Genos killer for me. My 'Ketron train' jumped off the rails in anticipation of Audya that was announced and did not appear until ages had passed. When add a Korg to my setup, I think it is settled for many years to come.
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No doubt that it is a great product, but won't be a Genos killer for me. My 'Ketron train' jumped off the rails in anticipation of Audya that was announced and did not appear until ages had passed. When add a Korg to my setup, I think it is settled for many years to come.
Well both the sd40 and sd90 have something to offer you can’t find on Genos or Korg Pa4x...
They are a module, and the best way of getting arranger capabilities on an 88keyboard, an organ, an accordeon or a guitar...
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OK, never say never they say, so I can add that to my post, just in case a bunch of $$$$$ unintended floating out of my wallet.
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How are we intended to use them.. Since they come with their own chord progression.. would they work best like an interlude? doesn't look like there is a way to edit the chord progression?
This is one of those barely undocumented features that show how advanced the auto accompaniment feature of the Ketron is. Yamaha, Korg and Rolad seem much more straightforward
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Bachus - As you mention, could use a little more documentation. You can change the instrumentation if you want. For example, change from an Acoustic Bass to a Slap Bass, etc. As for the chord progression, you can change chords while the Riff is playing and it will still follow you. Of course, the result varies on what and when you play any "extra" chords. We found it best to use along with other variations in that style as you suggest to change things up a little.
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Originally Posted By IMMusic_Curt
Bachus - As you mention, could use a little more documentation. You can change the instrumentation if you want. For example, change from an Acoustic Bass to a Slap Bass, etc. As for the chord progression, you can change chords while the Riff is playing and it will still follow you. Of course, the result varies on what and when you play any "extra" chords. We found it best to use along with other variations in that style as you suggest to change things up a little.
Well, using the riffs as you would with any other variation, could proof disaastrous, in general playing differnet chords at the same time doesnt work well.. what would be cool is if you could set or see the chordprogression of the riff... this would make it possible to improvise for people that have no perfect pitch...
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I have another question about the style engine of the SD90/40/9/7 How are atpeggio’s different from normal style patterns? This is also one of the things the manual is not clear enough for me..
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Bachus,
ARPS (on most synths) are triggered by notes played on the entire keyboard. In the AUDYA series, these are triggered either by notes, chords or both and are associated with (but NOT restricted to) the style played.
As you know with most 'technical' equipment, the manual only tells 3/4 of the story. The rest you have to 'experience' in person, but it could have been better written. We will address this in the video with lots of illustrations ofcourse.
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Bachus,
ARPS (on most synths) are triggered by notes played on the entire keyboard. In the AUDYA series, these are triggered either by notes, chords or both and are associated with (but NOT restricted to) the style played.
As you know with most 'technical' equipment, the manual only tells 3/4 of the story. The rest you have to 'experience' in person, but it could have been better written. We will address this in the video with lots of illustrations ofcourse.
Thanks,
so basically, they are real arp’s... allways tought they where style parts that sounded like basic arps...
I would like to see a demo of that on the sd90...
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Bachus,
ARPS (on most synths) are triggered by notes played on the entire keyboard. In the AUDYA series, these are triggered either by notes, chords or both and are associated with (but NOT restricted to) the style played.
As you know with most 'technical' equipment, the manual only tells 3/4 of the story. The rest you have to 'experience' in person, but it could have been better written. We will address this in the video with lots of illustrations ofcourse.
Thanks,
so basically, they are real arp’s... allways tought they where style parts that sounded like basic arps...
I would like to see a demo of that on the sd90...
Yep.
In the meantime, you can also go to the store where you tried out the SD9 and check the ARPS on it ... same thing, rather than wait for demos (depending on how anxious you are to check it out) ...
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Originally Posted By Bachus
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Bachus,
ARPS (on most synths) are triggered by notes played on the entire keyboard. In the AUDYA series, these are triggered either by notes, chords or both and are associated with (but NOT restricted to) the style played.
As you know with most 'technical' equipment, the manual only tells 3/4 of the story. The rest you have to 'experience' in person, but it could have been better written. We will address this in the video with lots of illustrations ofcourse.
Thanks,
so basically, they are real arp’s... allways tought they where style parts that sounded like basic arps...
I would like to see a demo of that on the sd90...
Yep.
In the meantime, you can also go to the store where you tried out the SD9 and check the ARPS on it ... same thing, rather than wait for demos (depending on how anxious you are to check it out) ...
Thats true, but that store is not next door.. actually its on the other side of our country where i was born and where i still often visit as my mother and the rest of the fammily love there..
The closest Ketron shop to my home here in Holland is probably atleast 100 miles away
But yes, if i am there, i will go and try them out.. because thats indeed actually the only way to get a real feel about them
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WOW !!! what a sound! AJ ... I've been impressed with the Ketron sounds ever since you gave us a demo at Gary's a number of years ago ... In fact, several years before that I visited Dan O's music studio and he showed me the SD1 I believe, and I was blown away ...
For this demo, I assume someone sat down and wrote a score which was then put together part by part? ... We listen/watch some of these demos and critique them without giving a thought to what goes into creating them ... Thanks to all involved for this ...
#457573 - 09/06/1805:08 AMRe: New KETRON SD90/SD60 AjamSonic Demos ...
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Tony - Believe it or not but none of the parts are written down. Ric is simply that good! We are fortunate to have him on our team. You are correct that each part was recorded as an independent track in Logic Pro. In this case, we are showing what the unit sounds like vs. showing the styles as in some of the previous videos. We have a couple more arrangements done on both SD40 and SD90 that were put together the same way. Watch for those to be coming out over the next few days.
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On line demos don't tell the whole story. Touch it. Play it. Then you can tout it's praises. Key feel affects tone, and every player has a unique touch. Audio demos just serve a purpose to whet the appetite. You gotta play the darn thing before you fall in love with it. I admit, the demo's sound good, but that's not enough for me.
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Very nice , but it isnt how it sounds direct from the units . lets show it live playerd on these models , than we can judge the right way .
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Videos showing the units being played will be released soon. However ... this IS how it sounds direct from the units ... when used with an external sequencer DAW ... OR when you play your sequence/Midi file directly on the unit. All the sounds you hear (drums, bass, brass, guitars, organs ...etc) ARE INDEED from the respective units - the question is ... are they created with sequences/DAW or with Styles (partial sequences) and lead/right hand performance (which is what most Arranger players do - and probably what you are refering to above)? The recent demos put out by IMMUSIC (in collaboration with KETRON USA) are of both types - Sequences and Styles (and these are clearly defined at the begining of each video).
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On line demos don't tell the whole story. Touch it. Play it. Then you can tout it's praises. Key feel affects tone, and every player has a unique touch. Audio demos just serve a purpose to whet the appetite. You gotta play the darn thing before you fall in love with it. I admit, the demo's sound good, but that's not enough for me.
Uncle Dave ... you've done just that with the SD7 AjamSonic. What's your take on touch, key feel, instrument build, styles ... etc?
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AJ, You know I loved the sound and feel of the SD7. There were just a few quirks that made it a misfit for me. It was also a bit large. My trunk is small, and stages are tight. If I remember correctly, the harmonizer had issues with smooth changes using a foot switch. That's critical for me. I turn it on and off many time within a song, and I need seamless control. Your products are like Maserati's, but I'm a Ford man all the way.
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Originally Posted By Impuls
Very nice , but it isnt how it sounds direct from the units . lets show it live playerd on these models , than we can judge the right way .
Impuls
Ditto....I agree let's hear it out of the box no Logic processing to have a clear picture of its sound...
Donny ... this IS how it sounds out of the box and maybe I should explain a little more detaily so non arranger folks reading this thread understand better too.
If you buy a new SD90/SD9/SD7... etc, unbox it, load in YOUR MIDIFILE that you created on your DAW/SEQUENCER or Sequenced on the unit itself, and hit play - this is HOW it will sound ... just as all the SEQUENCED demos sound on our latest releases. In other words, YOU recorded all the individual tracks either on your external DAW or our internal sequencer/style editor/LaunchPad (depending on the product in question).
Now, if you buy a new SD90/SD9/SD7 ... etc, unbox it, select a style and select a lead/right voice and start playing it, - again, this is how it will sound ... just as all the STYLE SPECIFIC demos sound on our latest releases. The AjamSonic/Gold Pack styles are ofcourse more 'creative and intune with music from the Americas' and utilize more 'intelligence' but the concept and sound quality is the same.
To differentiate between the 2, Curt of IMMUSIC clearly mentions at the begining of each demo if it is a sequence demo (case 1 - which will benefit those musicians and studio engineers who want to create substance from scratch, but using our sounds and technology) ... OR a style demo (case 2 - which wlll also benefit musicians who still want to create from scratch but with the help of style templates, AND those who want to play live and control Arrangements).
Having said that - the question I am hearing is folks want to see more Style demos and watch how the style is selected, voice is selected, unit is set up and played. Am I correct?
Very nice , but it isnt how it sounds direct from the units . lets show it live playerd on these models , than we can judge the right way .
Impuls
Ditto....I agree let's hear it out of the box no Logic processing to have a clear picture of its sound...
Donny ... this IS how it sounds out of the box and maybe I should explain a little more detaily so non arranger folks reading this thread understand better too.
If you buy a new SD90/SD9/SD7... etc, unbox it, load in YOUR MIDIFILE that you created on your DAW/SEQUENCER or Sequenced on the unit itself, and hit play - this is HOW it will sound ... just as all the SEQUENCED demos sound on our latest releases. In other words, YOU recorded all the individual tracks either on your external DAW or our internal sequencer/style editor/LaunchPad (depending on the product in question).
Now, if you buy a new SD90/SD9/SD7 ... etc, unbox it, select a style and select a lead/right voice and start playing it, - again, this is how it will sound ... just as all the STYLE SPECIFIC demos sound on our latest releases. The AjamSonic/Gold Pack styles are ofcourse more 'creative and intune with music from the Americas' and utilize more 'intelligence' but the concept and sound quality is the same.
To differentiate between the 2, Curt of IMMUSIC clearly mentions at the begining of each demo if it is a sequence demo (case 1 - which will benefit those musicians and studio engineers who want to create substance from scratch, but using our sounds and technology) ... OR a style demo (case 2 - which wlll also benefit musicians who want to create from scratch, AND those who want to play live and control Arrangements.
Having said that - the question I am hearing is folks want to see more Style demos and watch how the style is selected, voice is selected, unit is set up and played. Am I correct?
Thanks ... I hope this is now better understood.
Understood Aj.......I cant complain about the KETRON sound that I always loved on all my ketron units thru the years.....Instructional demo vidEos on how to use each feature just like the ones KORG always produces
it really makes a big difference if your sitting on the fence to buy a ketron product it's a MUST!!...good luck..
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Interesting feedback and much appreciated. As AJ mentioned, there is no studio magic or tricks taking place. The sound you hear in all of the videos we have released is 100% "out of the box." Some tunes take advantage of AJAMSonic styles and or voices but quite a few are using what we call the "factory" voices. Maybe we should do a video showing how we put a tune together.
We are considering starting up some online webinars to go over various features and how to use them. Would that be something folks would be interested in attending? If so - what type of topics would you like to see covered?
And just for fun and to keep the discussion interesting - Watch for a new video coming out on Friday where we demo the Grand Piano and a few of the Church Organ sounds. We did have a comment on one of the other posts asking about an orchestral type demo. We are working on something to show what the SD* series instruments sound like.
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Interesting feedback and much appreciated. As AJ mentioned, there is no studio magic or tricks taking place. The sound you hear in all of the videos we have released is 100% "out of the box." Some tunes take advantage of AJAMSonic styles and or voices but quite a few are using what we call the "factory" voices. Maybe we should do a video showing how we put a tune together.
We are considering starting up some online webinars to go over various features and how to use them. Would that be something folks would be interested in attending? If so - what type of topics would you like to see covered?
And just for fun and to keep the discussion interesting - Watch for a new video coming out on Friday where we demo the Grand Piano and a few of the Church Organ sounds. We did have a comment on one of the other posts asking about an orchestral type demo. We are working on something to show what the SD* series instruments sound like.
we look forward to it for sure.......many people have asked me what is the difference between the Factory Ketron products/Modules vs the AJAMSONIC versions of the same units,..... In detail A/B comparison videos of each would clear up all the confusion IMO would that be something we can look forward to in the near future to make the choice easier to buy?
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Originally Posted By IMMusic_Curt
Interesting feedback and much appreciated. As AJ mentioned, there is no studio magic or tricks taking place. The sound you hear in all of the videos we have released is 100% "out of the box." Some tunes take advantage of AJAMSonic styles and or voices but quite a few are using what we call the "factory" voices. Maybe we should do a video showing how we put a tune together.
We are considering starting up some online webinars to go over various features and how to use them. Would that be something folks would be interested in attending? If so - what type of topics would you like to see covered?
And just for fun and to keep the discussion interesting - Watch for a new video coming out on Friday where we demo the Grand Piano and a few of the Church Organ sounds. We did have a comment on one of the other posts asking about an orchestral type demo. We are working on something to show what the SD* series instruments sound like.
we look forward to it for sure.......many people have asked me what is the difference between the Factory Ketron products/Modules vs the AJAMSONIC versions of the same units,..... In detail A/B comparison videos of each would clear up all the confusion IMO would that be something we can look forward to in the near future to make the choice easier to buy?
Definatley will work on answering this on a AB video soon. In a nutshell (while waiting), the answer to this question is ... the AjamSonic versions do not take away anything from the factory/standard versions but add more professional sounds (WITH articulation in woodwinds and guitars), styles (especially designed for the Americas (such as focus on Bigbands/Jazz/Funk/Carribbean ... since most arranger styles generally tend to favor the European market) and some features like the new Live Guitar mode in the Audya series. It also offers the option of adding more memory (up to 256mb in Audya series) or storage (up to 500GB) in sd9 pro, sd7, sd40/60/90 and Midjay pro.
Interesting feedback and much appreciated. As AJ mentioned, there is no studio magic or tricks taking place. The sound you hear in all of the videos we have released is 100% "out of the box." Some tunes take advantage of AJAMSonic styles and or voices but quite a few are using what we call the "factory" voices. Maybe we should do a video showing how we put a tune together.
We are considering starting up some online webinars to go over various features and how to use them. Would that be something folks would be interested in attending? If so - what type of topics would you like to see covered?
And just for fun and to keep the discussion interesting - Watch for a new video coming out on Friday where we demo the Grand Piano and a few of the Church Organ sounds. We did have a comment on one of the other posts asking about an orchestral type demo. We are working on something to show what the SD* series instruments sound like.
we look forward to it for sure.......many people have asked me what is the difference between the Factory Ketron products/Modules vs the AJAMSONIC versions of the same units,..... In detail A/B comparison videos of each would clear up all the confusion IMO would that be something we can look forward to in the near future to make the choice easier to buy?
Definatley will work on answering this on a AB video soon. In a nutshell (while waiting), the answer to this question is ... the AjamSonic versions do not take away anything from the factory/standard versions but add more professional sounds (WITH articulation in woodwinds and guitars), styles (especially designed for the Americas (such as focus on Bigbands/Jazz/Funk/Carribbean ... since most arranger styles generally tend to favor the European market) and some features like the new Live Guitar mode in the Audya series. It also offers the option of adding more memory (up to 256mb in Audya series) or storage (up to 500GB) in sd9 pro, sd7, sd40/60/90 and Midjay pro.
Prince AJ thanx for the clarification between both,... can't wait to see more demos on this subject and more. Maybe another road trip to the "LAB" is in order too lunch on me..
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Hey everyone - We learned a TON reading & watching the comments on our recent "BigBand" post. To keep it interesting we offer up yet another demo of the Ketron SD40. Yes, what you hear are 100% "out-of-the-box" sounds from the Ketron SD40. In this case, all sounds are what we call the "Factory" sounds. No magic EQ or "studio tricks." taking place BUT, we do have the luxury of working with an EXTREMELY talented Musician and Arranger. Over the past month or so we have demoed both Ketron styles, and more recently simply, Ketron sounds. We plan to continue that so folks can listen and make their own decision of what the Ketron SD series instruments are capable of. The beauty is you can use your Ketron in "Arranger" mode or as we prefer, as a "Sound Module." The choice is up to you. Although very unlikely, should we do some "studio magic" to alter what you hear we have no issue stating that and we would share that "detail" with you. For now, rest assured nothing you hear in this demo or any of our previously released Ketron demos are nothing more than the incredible musicianship of our good friend and partner.
At the same time - we have heard your comments about "seeing" a live performance. Sounds easy to produce and release and we are working on that, and you will see something shortly. On a side note, I'm in Florida and Ric is in Pennsylvania. Let's just say we depend heavily on Dropbox to "make the magic" happen!
If you don't hear from us over the next few days - Rest assured, we are VERY interested in your feedback and comments, and we will respond, but for the next few days will be on the road to run up and visit AJ for a full day session to learn more about the incredible AJAMSonic line of Ketron products.
Hey everyone - We learned a TON reading & watching the comments on our recent "BigBand" post. To keep it interesting we offer up yet another demo of the Ketron SD40. Yes, what you hear are 100% "out-of-the-box" sounds from the Ketron SD40. In this case, all sounds are what we call the "Factory" sounds. No magic EQ or "studio tricks." taking place BUT, we do have the luxury of working with an EXTREMELY talented Musician and Arranger. Over the past month or so we have demoed both Ketron styles, and more recently simply, Ketron sounds. We plan to continue that so folks can listen and make their own decision of what the Ketron SD series instruments are capable of. The beauty is you can use your Ketron in "Arranger" mode or as we prefer, as a "Sound Module." The choice is up to you. Although very unlikely, should we do some "studio magic" to alter what you hear we have no issue stating that and we would share that "detail" with you. For now, rest assured nothing you hear in this demo or any of our previously released Ketron demos are nothing more than the incredible musicianship of our good friend and partner.
At the same time - we have heard your comments about "seeing" a live performance. Sounds easy to produce and release and we are working on that, and you will see something shortly. On a side note, I'm in Florida and Ric is in Pennsylvania. Let's just say we depend heavily on Dropbox to "make the magic" happen!
If you don't hear from us over the next few days - Rest assured, we are VERY interested in your feedback and comments, and we will respond, but for the next few days will be on the road to run up and visit AJ for a full day session to learn more about the incredible AJAMSonic line of Ketron products.
Will the answer to the quesition 'Is this how it sounds live' be YES ...even though the user has added an extra sound track WITH THE SAME UNIT? If he added more and more tracks using the same instrument (SD9 Pro), would that anwer still be YES or NO?
Why?
Let's talk about it for a second ... and explain your answer.
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It's far more 'live' than many arranger keyboard players I've seen do their stuff. Left hand bass, and accordeon with right hand. He is a very good player as far as I can judge. If I did not look at the video, I could easily be fooled to think it was a band. Great sounds.
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IMO it‘s NOT live, it would be live parts combined with self-made sequencer tracks, all using the on-board sounds.
... in which case ... him playing manual left hand bass and accordion with right hand is LIVE, however playing with styles is NOT live (due to self/company made sequencer/partial sequencer tracks) in your opinion - just asking to get a better feel for what most will consider live versus play along.
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I think 'live' means or implies ALL LIVE PLAYERS. Even if a person is playing three instruments simultaneously, say pedal bass, trumpet in right hand and (non-arranger) keyboard with the left, BUT doing it all to a DRUM MACHINE, IT'S STILL NOT LIVE. It's a fantastic feat, requiring loads of talent and coordination, but it's still not LIVE. At least not to me. LIVE to me means that everything you're hearing is being played 'live' by a LIVE musician in real-time....be it one person or a 20 pc. orchestra. I'll say it one more time; LIVE MEANS LIVE.
JMO (even if it is correct ).
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IMO it‘s NOT live, it would be live parts combined with self-made sequencer tracks, all using the on-board sounds.
... in which case ... him playing manual left hand bass and accordion with right hand is LIVE, however playing with styles is NOT live (due to self/company made sequencer/partial sequencer tracks) in your opinion - just asking to get a better feel for what most will consider live versus play along.
Somebody who is primarily a piano player will tend to understand „live“ in a strict way, so even using a style would mean that it‘s not 100% live even though he does a lot with the hands. If we focus purely on the arranger segment, I guess „live“ would accept using styles, but not midi files. Moreover, I think a self-made midi file is to be judged completely differently from using a third-party midi file, even if both is not live. So I guess the term „live“ alone is not helpful, I prefer a more detailed description of what percentage is handmade and how active both hands are playing - maybe even feet, all the better...
IMO would that be something we can look forward to in the near future to make the choice easier to buy?
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