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Originally posted by Dnj:
Korg Pa 800 Fills are fine...its all about how you trigger them....I have have seen many people that CANT play correctly...hit fills at the wrong time or out of tempo because they have no rhythm.....then they blame the keyboard........


Look, I'd just like to get some simple answers about the PA800/PA2X fill system. Is it POSSIBLE to get an out of time fill by hitting it in the 'wrong' time (whatever that means) or out of tempo (still don't get that one either)? If not, what was that comment all about, Donny?

I still think most of the comments boil down to the fact that, if you have a style with a Break/Fill (and I'd certainly want one for every style, if possible), you basically only have ONE fill-up (to take a variation up to a busier pattern) and one fill-down (to bring it back down).

But with a FOUR variation style, there is NO WAY that one fill-up will work between 3 & 4 (usually pretty busy with a lot of active Parts) AND work smoothly between 1 & 2, (usually much simpler, less busy and fewer active Parts). Restrict yourself arbitrarily to only using two of the available four patterns and yes, it MIGHT not seem much of a problem (unless you are going from 1 to 4 and back!), but that is to cheat yourself of the full potential of the style.

But, just for once, is it possible to talk maturely about an arranger without those that DO own the keyboard frantically spinning to obscure what is an apparently well documented flaw. I keep saying this, and it seems to make no difference, but these things are TOOLS. Tools that COULD be improved, if we were just willing to TALK about their flaws, and make the manufacturers aware that we DO know about their problems. But to have the majority of Korg owners deny a point that is pretty obvious even from just looking at the tech specs, yet alone down-play comments from actual OWNERS that ARE willing to discuss the problem is just plain silly.

NONE of you (AFAIK) are Korg salesmen, stock holders or on the Korg Arranger R&D team. So why the unwillingness to firstly, admit that there is ANY kind of problem at all, and secondly, let other potential buyers become aware that this is something to check for themselves before they BUY one, usually sight unseen (as hard as they are to track down in a brick and mortar store)?

These things are TOOLS (or toys, Ian!), not your religion, or your grandkids, and CAN be improved. IF.... you are willing to discuss the problems rather than 'defend' your purchase at the Court of Consumerism. There are MANY, MANY unbelievably great features in the new Korg's. Just because they have this ONE problem doesn't mean that you can't hold your heads up high, or gig professionally, or amaze your friends. But if you deny it, down-play it and state (just for pride's sake) that there IS no problem, what incentive do you think Korg have to FIX IT?

Let us face it, if the Korg DID have six fills (or even, gasp! my choice of sixteen), you would be touting this ability as a great PLUS, another reason to confirm your infallibleness at choosing the 'best' arranger. But because it has this one flaw, out comes the 'spin doctor' mode.

Look, my G70 has flaws. I've learned many workarounds so that I can bypass them, and few of them impact my performance. But you don't see me going around saying that, just because I've figured out a workaround, the problems do not exist. Make them public, make the manufacturer know that these flaws are public, make them realize it would help their sales, which are probably negatively affected by the flaws being public, if the FIXED them.

Are their any Korg owners out there that WOULDN'T like it if Korg upped the number of fills to equal or surpass the competition...? Didn't think so...

Here's your chance to address the issue. Fail to do so, and you can look forward to the issue NEVER being resolved. Heck, Korg might not do it even AFTER you discuss it like adults... But at least you TRIED.
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