Originally posted by Diki: There are three kinds of lies... Lies, damn lies, and specs
A KHz figure for low or high end means NOTHING without the figure that says HOW MANY db it is down at that point. Look at any professional (I mean REAL 'pro' gear like JBL) gear spec sheet, and you will see qualifying figures for frequency range, and wattage.
Frequency is expressed in how many db down at the frequency point the speaker is. Sure, a set of headphones can output a 40Hz tone, but unless it is stuck inside your ear, you would never hear it. Real speaker specs say that it CAN play a 30Hz tone, at -10db, or -15db, or -3db, whatever. Without that qualifying spec, the stat is MEANINGLESS.
Power is expressed in watts with a THD qualifier. What's the point of delivering 300 watts, if it comes at a price of being 30% THD? Power, on 'pro' specs, is expressed as a wattage at a specific THD. Usually, two or more. So, for instance, 300 watts @ 5% THD, 150watts % 0.5% THD. And, unless the amp is driving a built in speaker, it is expressed at a specific speaker load (4 ohm, 8 ohm, 2 ohm, etc.).
Without these qualifying figures, you are reading FICTION
And then, of course, getting all worked up here 'defending' your choice of 'fiction'
Without these qualifying figures, you CAN'T compare one s/p speaker set against another without your ears. Kingfrog, I've heard cheap gear sound great and pricey gear sound like crap. Surely all your years in the business have taught you THAT basic. On the whole, yes, pricier and well known will TEND to mean better. But there are always bargains to be had...
You mix through a pair of Alesis POS monitors. At least, in the opinion of someone that says you ALWAYS get what you pay for. Surely your own experience with these shows that your own elitist position on gear (the FIRST thing you criticize in others, when it suits you) is in error..?
You've got to make your mind up. Either judging equipment by it's reputation and price alone IS sufficient, or it isn't. If not, next time I mention some higher end piece of gear, cut a little slack, if not to me, then to all the OTHER audio pros who seem to think that price and reputation DOES equate to better performance.
JUST LIKE YOU
[This message has been edited by Diki (edited 02-23-2009).]
Diki I can assure you I know technical specs. I did not feel the need to go into the detail regarding THD and dbs of drop of at what frequencies for a $200 Chinese Speaker bought on Ebay.(especially in a forum where low end Computer Speakers are considered viable live performance fare)I know you have a great need need to impress for whatever reason. Perhaps you are insecure with your self or where you have gone in life with your music, who knows? However if you REALLY knew what you were talking about, my choice of monitor would be easily understood as anyone who knows anything about recording knows monitors are for REFERENCE and one mans reference means nothing to another, I am sure I can make a beter mix on them then a new set of whatever you want to throw at me. Major producers and engineers STILL carry tissue tweeter covered Yamaha NSMS around. Can I afford a set of Genelecs or another "flavor of the day" monitor. Uh yeah many times over, But why when I have been using the same monitors (and have a box full of replacement drivers) for years and am satisfied with the result? I don;t need nor want to begin anew refencing a monitor. Its more important to KNOW your monitors then to BUY them based on numbers.
Studio vs live....Apples and oranges..Surely even YOU know that? Or do you? Do you see me using $200 speakers live? Uh No.... I will use them all day long in the studio though becasue i KNOW them and I know what to expect as a result of using them. I also know what to expect from $200 speakers in a live situation...Apparently you don't.
BTW one COULD mix on Logitech Computer speakers if they KNOW them. Thats the KEY KNOW THY MONITORS BEFORE the MARKET HEARS....Can't do that wil live speakers...The market IS hearing them.
I know you have been beat up a little here lately and need some cred You want to try to earn them back back from your minions on someone else more respected than I IM not buying your BS and I happen to KNOW beyond any shadow of doubt you don't know it all.
[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 02-23-2009).]
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