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Originally posted by ianmcnll:
I'm thrilled you are beginning to understand the "crowd" here and their "curious" choices...

I think why you misunderstand the choices of what most arranger players use here, is because, basically, you are not an arranger player...at least not one who plays "live".

Sure, you might use a T3 for making backing tracks for a CD that your wife plays piano and sings over....but you don't use an arranger "live" like most of us here (not that there's anything wrong with that, but it may explain why it is a little difficult for you to get your head around why we choose the gear we do.

I use an S900 (as do a lot of arranger players in my neck of the woods)...it's inexpensive, reliable, and I can make as much quality music (or more) with it as someone can on a more expensive and/or heavier T3, PA2xPRO or G70.

I make my living playing an arranger, so I am careful with my investment in gear, both from a monetary point of view(I have to make good profit) and from a realistic standpoint( where I can comfortably transport it by myself).

Most of us here on SZ who play arrangers "live"...Fran, Donny, Diki, Gary D, DonM,(to name just a few) are always looking for something lighter, more efficient, and easier to transport and set up( as well as sound great) and when one of us discovers, like Fran did in this case, a easier way to do things, it stirs our interest...the Z5500 stirred a lot of interest several months ago...and so on.

Some of us get the impression (from your posts and your attitude) that you feel you are not on the same path/level as many of us...perhaps that is true.


. It's not that important to me what your perspective is (athough I do read your posts to be fair)...you and I see things very differently in regards to playing/using arrangers (and sound systems) and I really can't relate to your views...if you played "live" and lugged around gear on your own, and worked in the trenches like most of us here, perhaps I would take your advice/comments more seriously....but I can't, and neither can many others who are in the same position as I.

Doesn't make you dumb, or not wanted, or a "gear snob", but it does serve to point out just how little you know about my world (and that of many others here)and the business of playing solo (or OMB, if you prefer).

I guess you do use an arranger in a curious way to most of us, yet we give you lots of slack about your gear choices...why not return the favor?

Ian

You are right. We don't take the arranger out. But we do play live and the expectations are high from both the clients and the performance is reflected soley through the PA we choose.

When someone claims they saw "the numbers on a $200 pair of PA speakers" and bought them based on the numbers (30HZ on 8" drivers?) then says you cannot depend on the "numbers" you have to "hear" them...Well who can blame the less connected and emotional to question that. From a purely technical standpoint if nothing else? I research based on the numbers. Credible professional gear is honestly speced out. Not so great gears uses Peak Power ratings and unreal freq response claims..... without the essential curves. I am suspect...sorry.

Arranger players are a different breed. I realize that. I have never actually SEEN one in performance so I probably don't understand the culture and choices.

However live performing is live performing. Live performing is live performing...... whether on a Roland Rd700 or Yamaha PSR413. IN that regard I do share some cultural similarities as a performer. I expect the best possible sound to reach the audience. I don't do it for my living anymore which is not to say I won't ever. I enjoy selling the gear now and going out when I get the bug. Some day I may have to do it again.

I understand not carrying a lot around. My wife is 43 5'2 100lbs and as of three years ago was carrying around a Mackie 802S, two JBL MR15s and the associated crap, and an RD700 by herself!! I get the down sizing thing. But she and I still wanted the best quality she could get and was easy to lug around. I decided she should give the Bose a try. She was stuck in her "Stereo paradigm" and the "dual box paradigm". But in the end The Bose System filled the bill on the PA side. A Casio Previa 320 on the 88 side for stair gigs and she even started playing guitar three years ago to take some guitar only gigs as well. to further lighten the load.

We use the Arranger in the SAME way everyone does...BACKING tracks. We just don't use it live. We can't repeat choruses.....LOL.

She would rather give that flexibility up in favor of two fisted keyboard playing on weighted keys with a band whether live or recorded. Thats all she has ever done and is comfortable with. I am indeed more inclined to take an arranger out if I were to do my own thing full time than she is. She won't think of it.

However I would still use the best PA gear possible and not accept less because I have to have a stereo field and therefore need something that offers that and is light at the same time.

Then again, most of my live performance BG was entirely in mono with monitor mixers and great reliable gear. I don't have this aversion to mono. I do appreciate professional, bullet proof, reliable and honestly spec'd and now light.... even if it cost a little more. Its part of our income. We try not to cut too many corners. The technology is out there that accommodate all of our requirements..... for now and keeps getting better.




[This message has been edited by Kingfrog (edited 02-24-2009).]
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