Fran, we already omitted OMB's, home users, and songwriters using them as sketchpads, from the population of pro users, so could you redo your list. If everybody wasn't so hell-bent to defend something that's not even under attack, we could have had a much more meaningful and productive conversation. There is one thing that is for sure about old men; once they settle on a mindset, no matter how irrelevant or unrelated, that's IT. Any effort to get them back on track is doomed to failure. Oh well, luckily no one takes old men seriously anyway .

chas